I’m one of the people who has very recently tried Lemmy and decided to drop Reddit. Initially because I will no longer be able to use SyncForReddit, but now also because I just like the vibe a lot more here than Reddit.
I’m not a massively technical person, but I understood the broad concept of federation - different instances/servers that sync to form a big conversation/forum of sorts.
I heard a lot of people joining and saying positive things about lemmy.world, so I signed up there…and that’s it.
But, am I using it right? Is the idea to sign up in one place and use it to participate across the LemmyVerse/FediVerse? Or should I be seeking out lots of niche instances of interest?
I hear lemmy.world is the biggest instance. What if most people end up here, does that defeat the purpose? Is this inevitable?
You need a critical mass of users, so a quiet instance with few posts is not attractive. If I search for Xbox, there are lots of empty places or places with 3 posts. If there’s one big one (often ends up being in lemmy.world) that’s where I’m subscribing.
How are you using Lemmy, are you participating in a bunch of instances or just one?
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[An interconnected diagram with six cloud-shaped bubbles with text and images of the reddit mascot snoo in them are shown. There are lines going between them connecting all of the bubbles to one another in the approximate shape of the fediverse pentagram logo. The top left bubble says “r/aww” and has two images of the reddit mascot. The upper middle bubble has the text “r/gaming” and “r/Music” with one image of the mascot. The top right bubble says “r/funny” with one mascot, the lower left says “r/Pics” and “r/science” with one mascot, the lower right says “r/art” and “r/ask science” with two mascots, and the bottom centre bubble has the words “r/space” and r/videos" with one reddit mascot. The Lemmy logo, a black and white cartoon mouse head, sits in the bottom left corner of the image. Below the web of connected bubbles, there are three small cartoon drawings of people standing next to each other, with the text “Lemmy devs” beside them, and a large purple speech bubble above them that reads as follows]
We donated Lemmy to the world, we can’t control what people do with it.
^I’m a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^
I did have to alter the signature a little to fit the site haha. For the moment, only a few of us are here, as the process of moving all of the technology and organization behind ToR to a completely different platform (think seven or eight different bots, all needing to work in synchrony) is a massive undertaking for the mods, and one they aren’t sure they’re entirely able to do. But for the time being, I’m here transcribing freelance (I like to consider it “going rogue”, though in reality the mods are very much in support of what I’m choosing to do haha), and it remains to be seen if we can form an organized group to continue these efforts.
For the moment, it’s just a couple of us working freelance (I like to think of it as “going rogue”, though in reality the mods are in full support of my choice to do this), but it remains to be seen if we can develop an organized system for this. A lot of people don’t realize the massive amount of tech and organization behind ToR, about seven or eight bots running in synchrony in order to allow us to effective span reddit in our transcriptions. But for the time being, I’m happy to do what I can solo
The idea is you can subscribe and interact with any instances, no matter what instance you came from
Sure, most will jump the bandwagon into lemmy.world… at least for the near future. I can say that with confidence because when you search “how to join Lemmy”, most guide will point you to Lemmy.world instead of… lets say… coughLemmynsfwcough
Over time, some will eventually move to other instance (mostly just the account, because they want ‘cool username’ for themselves). Sooner or later, things will balance themselves out.
Maybe you can even start by deploying your own instance, for no other reason than claiming your own ‘cool username’.
We’re all figuring this out as we go! Since the great Reddit migration, we’ve already seen our first big drama with the Beehaw defederation. Some Beehaw users disagreed and left for other instances while users of other instances liked the move and joined Beehaw. The Lemmy fediverse is what WE make it for better or for worse.
i don’t blame them for not welcoming redditors. they weren’t on reddit for a reason, and now there’s an influx of redditors making a lot of changes.
Sure, but I don’t think beehaw’s philosophy suits the fediverse very well. They want to create a safer space where discussion and disagreement is encouraged, but more closely policed. Which makes sense for a closed system - not one where “unpoliced” users can interact with your community. Otherwise you end up playing server whack-a-mole… exactly like beehaw has done.
I don’t think beehaw doesn’t fit the fediverse, I do believe it doesn’t fit every user.
As I understand it, they want to be a safe place for a very specific audience, that is, people afraid to be harassed for who they are, that could also include people with extreme social anxiety, that’s why it’s so heavily policed and they defederate from a lot of other instances.
It’s like having a heavily moderated subreddit, you wouldn’t say it doesn’t fit reddit just because they don’t accept contribution from everyone.
The purpose of the fediverse is to have things spread out so one or few nodes dying doesn’t affect the entire system, it’s also about avoiding corporate control, the same principles on which the internet was founded.
I don’t think it means having to trust everyone or accepting everyone into your local group.
Sure, but I don’t think beehaw’s philosophy suits the fediverse very well.
And what exactly is “fediverse philosophy” according to you? You should probably define that first before saying something like this and see if other people actually agree with it.
I think beehaw’s policy is frankly the only one that makes sense for a fediverse - after all, the more freedom there is on the platform, the more work there has to be put in to maintain the high quality of content and users without getting overrun by trolls, extremists and bad faith actors. I wish other instances were as rigorous when it comes to moderation and user curation otherwise it’s just a matter of time before this becomes more like 4chan than what it is rn.
It only really matters for the “local” feed which instance you choose. I don’t really see much point to that one honestly, except if you’re on something like startrek.website where “local” is “show me all star trek stuff”, or something similar.
And yes, it is important to spread out the user base across multiple servers and not all end up on lemmy.world.
So I’d say find some smaller instance, maybe with a community actually physically local to you, and make that your main one. Or don’t and stay on lemmy.world, I’m not your dad.
Perpetual plug to my userscript which changes all links to point to your home instance to make this even easier :)
Omg fuck yeah, sick userscript! I’ll have to try it tonight. Is this the beginnings of LES? 😁
Nice work dude, I see you have the code on GitLab so I can also check it out :)
Instances can defederate. For instance, lemmy.world was defederated from beehaw because of a bot influx. So if you liked what was on beehaw you’d need another account there.
But generally you only need one account in one instance to see most everything.
So pretty much right now I can’t see any content on beehaw correct? Or can I just not interact with anything from there?
Right now, until such time as they feel like they have the mod team/tools to handle the influx, you won’t be able to see any new posts or comments from Beehaw or its users.
There are old pre-defederation threads from maybe a week or so ago that you could even comment in, but no one on Beehaw’s side would be able to read it until they refederate because your instances aren’t passing that information between each other.
If you both comment on a post from a neutral instance, both of you can see and interact with every other user, but you shouldn’t be able to see each other.
Since lemmy.world didn’t defederate from beehaw you can still see posts and comments. But if you go to make a comment on a post from beehaw people on that instance won’t be able to see or respond, only people from your instance or other federated instances. Hopefully that explanation helped, it’s hard for me to explain some things through text.
I can’t see all the posts only some of them. If I directly go to beehaw.org I can see much more number of posts that don’t show up from lemmy.world. Also I see much lower number of comments than actual on beehaw communities when viewed from lemmy.world.
