The new policies include a measure to annotate trans members’ records, grouping them with members who have committed sexual violence or child abuse.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, known widely as the Mormon church, issued a slew of new policies this week expanding its restrictions on transgender members.
The policies, released Monday, include rules barring trans people from working with children, becoming priests and serving as teachers. The church also expanded on an existing rule that barred trans people from being baptized.
Trans members will also face possible annotation on their membership records, grouping them with churchgoers who have committed incest, sexual predatory behavior, sexual violence against children and embezzlement of church funds.
Did Joseph Smith come back to life and read the restrictions out of a hat? Otherwise it doesn’t count
Tsk… tsk… tsk… For clarity JS actually claimed to have:
“Read glowing writings off a stone placed in a hat.”
Its much more believable that way…
Glowing writing? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your hat?
… May I see it?
The leadership get revelations directly from god. In a weird coincidence, many of the revelations (like that black people aren’t demons) come at times when societal pressure is overwhelming or they are getting bad press. god apparently has very good timing.
Yeah, but like, at least LDS will be forthcoming about how shit is different now. Sure, they kinda dress it up about how the old rules were right “for their time,” but otherwise that’s pretty progressive for a church, IMO.
Compared to JW which will just redact everything they don’t like and pretend it’s always been that way.
Tax free status for churches has been one of the dumbest policies ever, they don’t follow the rules on not promoting political parties and candidates and use that privilege to oppress scapegoats.
Grouping them with child predators, so they’re part of the clergy now?
Sucks to be Mormon.
The best things to come out of the Mormon church was John Moses Browning and Joshua Graham and Graham is fucking fictional.
I don’t know if Mormons do posthumous baptism, but put me in a fucking dress before loading me in the furnace or chipper shredder or whatever if it will prevent any of that bullshit.
They certainly do and unfortunately they don’t need the body. No one is safe.
There’s an easier way to not deal with it.
Remember, they need you to believe in a god that is all powerful, all knowing and doesn’t give enough of a shit to not make fuckups like this.
(That. Or maybe it’s all bullshit and their asshole god is made in their image.)
I’m not a believer at all in such superstitions. Technically, I don’t care what happens after I die. But I don’t want any religion to falsely claim me.
As an ex-mormon, I feel I should point out that they don’t believe they’re claiming the dead whom they’re baptizing. They’re providing an opportunity for the dead person to choose and accept the baptism.
That said, f#*# organized religion. The Mormon church especially.
Sorry, but you have a diminished ability to counter the lies people tell about you when you’re dead.
The best we could do is try to create a society, before we die, which refrains from lying. I’m not sure that’s easy, considering that many humans rely on ideology to create a sense of purpose, and all ideology strains away from the truth at some point.
They don’t only do posthumous baptism, they do posthumous baptism of non-Mormons to make them into Mormons.
They did a posthumous baptism for Anne Frank. Assholes. I realize that doesn’t change anything about anything, but they’re still assholes for doing it.
Anyone can submit names and people often submit names to embarrass the church because they know it will cause problems. Secondly the ‘anne frank’ that had work done was not the historically famous figure but a different person entirely,
Temple work is ancestor focused worship, it’s not about changing anyone’s historical factual life, that’s not at all a belief in the church, no one thinks that temple work changes ANYTHING about history, that’s INSANE and no one thinks that’s what’s happening with the names you work.
All the names you so work for are supposed to be YOUR ancestors, people do go through and offer to do names people have left available for anyone, but those names are still supposed to be that other persons ancestors, not unrelated people, no one is supposed to be submitting names of any historical figure they arend provably a decendent of, and even then, they should only do so if they have a right to do that work.
A lot of people hate Mormons and like to make up the worst things they can think of to insult or vilify them. I was Mormon for a long time, I left the church because of ACTUAL THINGS the church does that are wrong and bad and against the churches own doctorine, the choices they make about training and policy, the severe anti lgbtq hatetred they support and spread. NOT because of made up bullshit no one in the church has ever done or believed.
There’s more than enough factual information to criticize, making up bullshit isn’t necessary and it’s dishonest and stupid.
BftD is a very weird doctrine that is childishly literal on the one hand, but inefficient to the point of cruelty on the other. There is no real point to it except busy work for grandmas and finding something to use for indoctrinating teens at the temples, and maybe it was an effective lever of control over superstitious members when it was first rolled out. I can guarantee you that any well known person was submitted at least once by “well meaning” members, regardless of the rules when they were doing so.
It’s so facially… stupid… that it’s extremely disrespectful to cling to it and claim it’s any kind of benefit. When I was a kid, they would say that if you died unbaptized you were in some sort of spirit prison, and it was only after some dumb kid who lied about cranking it to the Sears catalog got dunked in an overgrown bathtub that you’d get your hall pass to let you “decide” whether to accept the gospel (which is another bone to pick… what kind of choice is that after you’re dead and it turns out the Mormons were right?!).
It’s horrendous on its face, but it only gets every so slightly better upon deeper investigation. It’s still an arrogant and incoherent but of theology, and the sooner they have a “revelation” that it’s unnecessary, the better.
Are you suggesting whoever did the actual proxy baptism of Anne Frank didn’t know who it was they were baptizing or are you suggesting it never happened?
Because it happened. And not just with her.
https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-10-people-posthumously-baptized-by-mormons-2012-3?amp
Like I said, it doesn’t actually have any effect on anything. It’s just some sick shit.
I read a few years back that the temple was giving out names for people to baptize and if a family ever came back to baptize them they would just redo it. When I found that out it felt wrong for some reason.
Knowing all the work I had done to find the names just to find out they had the name the whole time and they potentially gave it to someone else really rubbed me the wrong way.
Not really sure what you mean. Me and everyone I knew absolutely believed we were offering salvation for each person we were doing this for. If you didn’t, then you weren’t a good mormon (honestly, good for you, I wish I wasn’t so in the coolaid)
They have kids, 12+ do this all the time, and they use other submitted names, with literally no relationship to any of the names the kid is baptized for. There’s no “supposed to be related” they just encourage it to make you feel more personally attached to the work.
Also if you were in it more recently than I, perhaps they changed it. It’s been about a decade, and despite what they say, they change their story all the time.
