Noa Argamani, an Israeli woman freed from Hamas captivity in Gaza in June, said on Friday that her injuries were caused by an Israeli air strike during her rescue operation, not by a Hamas attack.

Speaking to diplomats from G7 countries in Tokyo on Wednesday, Argamani detailed her ordeal after she was taken captive by Palestinian armed groups during the 7 October attack. However, two days later, she issued a statement on Instagram, saying that some of her remarks had been misquoted and taken out of context.

Contrary to some Israeli media reports, Argamani clarified that she was not beaten or had her hair shaved by Palestinian fighters.

“[Hamas members] did not hit me while I was in captivity, nor did they cut my hair; I was injured by the collapse of a wall caused by an [Israeli] Air Force pilot,” she added.

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Obviously…

Someone was posting literal propaganda the other day (MBFC legit outright said it was a propaganda source) that said hostages had bullet fragments “in and near” them. Then jumped to the conclusion that Hamas shot them immediately before the raid because they knew IDF was mighty and strong or some shit.

Israel has been showing us for almost a year they dont give a single fuck about the hostages, they were always sacrificial lambs. An excuse to flatten the area they were being held so Israel can then move more rightwing Jewish extremists in.

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I wouldn’t rely on MBFC to recognize propaganda. Look at the difference between VOA news and Al Jazera.

Fun fact, they’re both government rags. VOA was legally barred from broadcasting where Americans might hear it because it was propaganda. Al Jazera is operated by Qatar.

In any case, Israel has been full of shit since this began. And Americans have bought that hook line and sinker.

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Al Jazera news is pretty good. Better than most American news sources. And being state owned doesn’t mean it’s propaganda. CBC in Canada and RNZ in New Zealand are excellent and reliable news sources

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Al jazera is definitely respected; that’s part of what makes mbfc’s review of both so glaring.

I doubt VOA is any more critical of the US as AJ is of Qatar. But one, they go out of their way to excuse that it’s sole purpose really is propaganda.

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Clearly, this woman is Hamas. /s

More seriously though, Hamas not mistreating her beyond the initial act of kidnapping makes sense. The entire purpose of taking hostages is to use the threat of harm as leverage. So there’s incentive to keep them in relatively good condition, because as soon as anything happens to them that leverage is lost. Of course, people don’t always remember that, and the whole thing relies on all parties involved at least pretending to act in good faith.

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Any idea why Hamas doesn’t execute hostages? Not to sound callous or anything. Just curious if you know if their religion forbids it or something

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Because if Hamas executed the hostages, they’d have even less bargaining power than they already do. Unfortunately, Netanyahu doesn’t seem to care much about the hostages anyway.

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If the hostages are released he’ll need a whole new reason to continue bombing!

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look the hostages were weak, they don’t deserve to live, just like the victims of the holocaust.

don’t look at me like that, it was the Israeli Minister of national security that said this shit, can’t I go quoting the only democracy in the m.east’s government?

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That would defeat the whole point of taking hostages in the first place.

Seems they didn’t count on Israel being willing to kill hostages.

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They claim that it does.

A Hamas guard who killed an Israeli hostage acted “in revenge” and against instructions after he heard news that his two children had been killed in an Israeli strike, a spokesperson for the group’s armed wing said on Thursday.

“The (Hamas) soldier assigned as a guard acted in a retaliatory manner, against instructions, after he received information that his two children were martyred in one of the massacres conducted by the enemy,” Abu Ubaida said on Telegram.

“The incident doesn’t represent our ethics and the instructions of our religion in dealing with captives. We will reinforce the instructions,” he added.

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If they wanted to kill the hostages, they would have just killed them instead of taking them hostage. The whole point of a hostage is that it increases your power at the negotiating table. It gives you leverage. The hostage is something to trade in exchange for concessions, or the threat of harm to force the opponent’s cooperation. Neither of those work if the hostage has been killed or harmed, because any bargaining power you would have had from holding them goes right out the window as soon as the hostage is killed.

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Because they aren’t AQ. They’re actually looking to negotiate things.

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Keeping in mind that I’m not an expert on Islam by any metric, I don’t think there’s any religious prohibitions, because executing people was something that ISIS was notorious for. I’ll also note that this tendency was one of the reasons everyone else in the region dogpiled them.

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ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. They is the Israel of Islam. Zionism is not Judaism. ISIS is not Islam. Almost everything ISIS does is strictly forbidden in the Quran.

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Fundamentalists picking and choosing which rules apply and which individuals are considered valid targets isn’t a good way to understand the tenets of a religion. Which of course means Hamas may also pick and choose, but just because ISIS did something doesn’t mean it’s the norm.

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oh no she will probably get fired from her job for saying that

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So how many hostages is this that have said Hamas treated them well, it was Israel that hurt them? Because I can think of at least 2 others.

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It’s great that she sets the record straight but I didn’t see anything in the article about her saying she was treated well. And I wouldn’t say being held hostage is ever being treated well. I would like to know how she was treated though, as it can’t be easy to “take care” of a hostage in the very dire situation right now in all of Gaza, even if you wanted to.

None of that is to say Israel is in the right, my opinion is quite the opposite.

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