Lawmakers want to crack down on “junk fees,” but restaurants are trying to stay out of the fight.

Surcharges or fees covering everything from credit card processing to gratuities to “inflation” have become more popular on restaurant checks in recent years.

Last year, 15% of restaurant owners added surcharges or fees to checks because of higher costs, according to the National Restaurant Association. In the second quarter, 3.7% of restaurant transactions processed by Square included a service fee, more than double the beginning of 2022, according to a recent report from the company.

Opponents of the practice say those fees and surcharges may surprise customers, hoodwinking them into paying more for their meals at a time when their wallets are already feeling thin. Fed-up diners compiled spreadsheets via Reddit of restaurants in Los AngelesChicago and D.C. charging hidden fees. Even the Onion took a swing at the practice, publishing a satirical story in May with the headline “Restaurant Check Includes 3% Surcharge To Provide Owner’s Sugar Baby With Birkin.”

126 points

Restaurant operators say the fees keep their menu prices lower

lmao, they just want to use deceptive pricing in their menu.

Fuck that, increase the price of your stuff instead of being dishonest.

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62 points

“Lying about our prices on the menu keeps the prices on the menu lower!”

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116 points

We need to go to what other countries do.

No tips, people earn a living wage. And all taxes and percentage fee charges are baked into the price you see.

If something is $99.99 on the sticker/menu, then you pay exactly $99.99

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35 points

I forget how much I take this for granted until I visit the US. It’s such a hassle, I guess it’s one of those things you just get used to after while to be fair but when you’re not used to it it’s baffling.

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It’s purposeful forced mental labor.

They want the customer to be confused, stressed, and ready to just pay to make it all go away. They make the customer do a lot of work to be informed about their products.

Anything where the customer knows the situation and the price is anathema to these dorks.

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11 points

Exactly. Perfect example: Microsoft 360 pricing.

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Yeah, you just always assume you’ll be nickle and dimed.

People bitch about it in food delivery apps, and it is a problem there, but it’s a problem offline too. You just see it immediately on the apps, where if you’re sitting down you don’t realize till after you ate and you don’t care as much.

Ironically seeing the real total up front makes people more angry than if they don’t know till after they ate.

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I’m from the US. I assume outright beforehand that any private business I have to deal with is trying to scam me, because in my experience they are. After speaking to a few contenders, you pick the one that comes off as least slimy or do whatever it is yourself if they’re all completely shitty.

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My tinfoil hat theory is part of this is because conservatives want to keep people low grade mad at government. Like they keep stuff like “5% tax” highly visible so people see it and get mad, then later they can campaign on how the government is axiomatically bad etc etc.

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I mean, the strategy itself isn’t even a conspiracy theory. That’s literally their game plan for dismantling established departments and government branches. The US Post Office is a great example. Conservatives make it harder and harder for them to stay funded every year, all in an attempt to slow down postal service and drive up delivery prices. They intentionally add bloat, cut funding, and increase costs. This is explicitly so they can point at the USPS and go “look at how bloated and ineffective this is! We should privatize it instead!”

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8 points

Agreed. The counter argument is that every state and county has different tax rates. One valid reason taxes that are percentages.

But the register can deal with all of that just fine.

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I’ve been visiting Brazil the past couple weeks and this is something I see here, it’s so nice to not have to arbitrarily round up prices in my head to figure out the true cost before going to the register. I’ll miss that when I get back home.

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This shit is just as abd in Japan. So many places have bullshit seating fees or they make you buy cabbage as an appetizer or something.

Taken the practice from host clubs and just ran with it.

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All listed prices should be the final maximum cost for any specific product. “Additional fees may apply” should not be allowed, as they exist to deceive the user about the final cost.

Upcharges for additional things is fine, as long as the customer knows what the additional cost is.

Also, tipping needs to fuck off and all employees need to be paid a living wage. If businesses can’t pay a living wage they don’t need to exist.

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Yup, at this point it’s just false advertising. Per the article, restaurant owners are saying they want to keep menu prices low as to not scare off customers, which is really just a fancy way of saying they’d rather bait them on the promise of low prices, and then ram the full cost of the meal up their asses at the end of it.

Just roll everything (cost/taxes/tips/fees) into the menu price. This constant bait and switch in the US needs to finally die. If you won’t survive by showing the true costs your customers need to pay, maybe you need to rethink your business model or find a new profession.

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The way I see it, if a restaurant can’t provide a living wage and also provide reasonably priced food, then the restaurant is being run poorly and the money is not being managed properly.

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11 points

And/or the cost of materials is also extortionate. I’m sure Sysco and other restaurant supply companies have also jacked their rates in recent years.

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7 points

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You okay?

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4 points

My thumbs must have had a seizure!

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59 points
  • get rid of ridiculous fees
  • get rid of tips
  • pay your staff a living wage with proper benefits
  • set real prices on the menu to account for the above

Which is what restaurants in a number of places that are not the US actually do.

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And if we aren’t willing to pay those prices we can let the industry shrink. I love restaurants, but I see people using them as a convenience instead of a night out but that makes financial sense some places but not here not today.

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As someone who grew up in the US and worked in nearly every position in a restaurant (from serving to cooking to managing) and now lives in another country, it’s wild how cheap restaurants are in the US. They can definitely shrink. Maybe at that point we might do something about food deserts. I’m also not sure if/how it’s correlated with the obesity epidemic, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s also a factor.

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46 points

I won’t return to a place that has a “cost of living charge.” Don’t make my dining experience about your protest. If you need to raise prices… just raise them.

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Yup, that’s my stance 100%

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