He’s not exactly wrong. On the face of it, it is a legal contradiction.
NY says the car is legal to drive anywhere within the state.
Then a local government sets a noise ordnance, making the car essentially illegal to drive in that part of the state.
The conflicting laws need to get sorted out. No different than states not being able to make laws that go against federal law.
If they take the same stance as State vs Federal, then the local ordnance being more restrictive than the states would supersede the state law. At the same time it could become unreasonable for individuals to research all the local ordinances they may encounter in a 20 mile trip.
So yah. It’s easy to say “Asshole drives an expensive loud car and complains about the fine.”
But there is more nuance and complications here that could go well beyond cars.
At the same time it could become unreasonable for individuals to research all the local ordinances they may encounter in a 20 mile trip.
It is extremely reasonable. Drivers are always responsible to learn the laws of places they drive. Are you only required to follow the law of your plate’s state/province? Is turning right on red in NYC okay if you are plated outside the city?
NY requires each intersections that aren’t Right on Red to be posted at the light. So you know on a turn by turn basis if you’re allowed or not. A noise ordinance isn’t.
In larger areas sure. Knowing those things is reasonable. But if you’re crossing 15 different little municipalities is it reasonable to expect people to look up all the local laws for each of them?
I’m with you. But the consequence to sort out the contradiction might be also a state-wide ban if certain boundaries are exceeded.
There is no contradiction. Just because the vehicle is licensed for street use doesn’t give the owner permission to operate it in ways that violates the law.
Or at all? Because he wasn’t doing anything unusual. He wasn’t racing, or speeding even. Just driving normally.
Nothing unusual? On the same day he got the noise ticket, he received tickets for running a red light and speeding in a school zone.
You sure about that?
According to city violation data aggregated by the popular website How’s My Driving NY, Aquilino did receive two tickets on that same day in the West Village for blowing through a red light and speeding in a school zone.
He says he was just driving normally but I get the feeling he may be at the very least stretching the truth.
You could argue the same about emission zones which are common across Europe (mainly in inner cities). Just because your vehicle is allowed on the road, it doesn’t you can drive it anywhere.
Aren’t there noise ordinances in every city? Do you look up the specific decibel levels for every city you drive through?
Not all. And not just cities. But small towns, villages, even HOAs. You’d have to check them all.
Y’all need to loosen up jfc it was a joke with a bit of reverse psychology…
“I feel that if the residents are upset by noise and the city wants to crack down on noise — I don’t disagree with it,” Aquilino said. “I disagree with if a car is unmodified and you want to fine them.”
Massive ego on this sack of shit. “Residents are upset by noise but if the noise is stock then it is fine.”
I understand where he is coming from. If the car is street legal, he shouldn’t have gotten a fine for using it. The problem is that cars that produce such levels of noise are street legal.
Every single car you and I have ever owned, are presumably street legal, yet they can reach speeds that are illegal almost everywhere.
Similarly, every knife I have ever owned has the necessary sharpness to cut meat… yet I am not supposed to cut human meat. I am pretty certain the car would not reach undesirable noise levels if he were not speeding or revving the engine, etc. So it is more on him for HOW he is using the car and not how the car was built
So his reasoning sounds legit, but it really is not.
Ok dumbass how do you adjust your exhaust? You can adjust your speed and sound of your stereo but you can’t adjust a stock exhaust. Nice false equivalence
Street legal doesn’t mean incapable of violating noise regulations if misused just like speed laws or any other traffic laws. Most gas engine cars can produce extreme amounts of noise just not when used as intended for driving on streets.
This is true, but why not fine all individuals in that case (assuming the driver was not accruing in bad faith).
Government regulation has to apply equally to the rich and the poor and if there was no signage indicating his street legal car could not be used on that street, it’s hard to see how he should be liable.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy for a guy with that kind of money, but it doesn’t mean he’s filthy rich either, for all we know he’s got cancer and sold his house for the dream car, who knows.
The point is, government regulation should be consistent and act in the best interest of the people. This is a failure in public policy.
Just because it’s stock doesn’t mean the driver can’t rev the engine way too hard and loud like a crazy person, engine braking loud at shit down the street in the middle of the night, yeah could be annoying
Lambos aren’t quiet, but if you drive them gently then they aren’t loud enough to set off the noise camera.
So this is a bit like arguing someone should be allowed to blast their music at midnight just because the speakers were legal to buy and own. If a city implements noise restrictions to protect the health and well-being of their residents then people have a legal and moral obligation to do their best to comply even if that means driving your lambo slowly through residential areas.
They maybe don’t set them.off, but where i live, quite a lot of people drive Lamborghinis, and they are obnoxious loud, even if they just idle on a redlight. And just hitting the accelerator slightly more than usual and they are way louder than any peasant car is ever allowed to be.
The car can do 200 miles per hour, and yet there are speed limits. Should he be exempt?
Whats the noise level if the car is driving at a reasonable speed in the city?
I imagine it’s only excessively noisy if they are showing off, revving the engine, and/or streeet racing
That car cruising at 30 mph in the city is probably louder than a Honda Civic when you put the loud pedal all the way down on the freeway.
This is still a goofy line of reasoning. If you, for example, are driving a truck equipped with engine retarder brakes, in quite a lot of municipalities you literally aren’t allowed to use them because they are too loud for neighbourhoods. You risk getting a fine.
Revving a lambo is exactly the same.
People driving loud cars are psychotic. That’s a fact.
I fucking hate these things so much. I’m not as opposed to cars as many others in this sub, i need a car for work and i have a car that i sometimes drive on the weekends. Lamborghinis especially are such a thorn in my eyes, they look like ass, they are LOUD as shit, and not under load, they are just loud all the time. They are way to wide for normal streets and the most impractical things ever. And because they are only driven by cunts, they are extra loud. Peasant cars have to follow rules, but as soon as you have enough money: well, timmy needs a v12 racecar and they are very loud, that makes sense, right?
Fun fact: any stock car that is this loud has something called an “exhaust valve” or a cutout. It’s an electronic device that adjusts the sound of the exhaust. Responsible super car owners only open this valve on the track, or in other appropriate places. I hope they repossess his little toy.
It shouldn’t even be legal to operate an exhaust loud enough to require hearing protection.
It is no coincidence that the valves typically open in “sport” or “race” modes and in “street” mode the valves are closed.
I don’t know if this is well known, but Lamborghini has a track record of loud exhaust, period. Regardless of valve state. Huracan Performante owners requested that Lamborghini make the next special edition a little quieter. Reason being the Performante was too loud even on race tracks. Track day drivers know there are noise limits that vary by track. You’re asked to leave immediately if you exceed the limit. You may also receive a temporary ban and/or fine.
What did Lamborghini do? Make the Huracan STO even louder across all driving modes. The company demonstrates it believes noise limits themselves are annoying. While I do like loud cars myself, sometimes a noise compliant normal or comfort mode doesn’t exist.
oooh i wish i had one of these, wanker bikers like to rev their engines down our street
But they’re Sooo cool!
LoUd pIPEs sAvE liVEs
I literally cannot hear you in my 1.2 litre Korean shitbox you insufferable oaf
