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Hope it bankrupts them.

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Why would it? The US is paying for it.

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The US? Cause that’s who’s paying.

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So you hope that Hamas and Hezbollah continue firing rockets at civilians?

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I hope Israel stops committing genocide and slaughtering civilians.

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How about ending the colonization? That’s the only way to peace.

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Alright, so what land do Israelis get and what land do Palestinians get? No matter your answer, one side is going to be pissed which leads to more conflict.

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They aren’t civilians, they are colonists.

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What happens after it bankrupts them?

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They would no longer be in position of power to decide the term of a potential two state solution

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So no Israel is bankrupt and has no power or military capabilities, who has the power to decide what kind of solution is enacted?

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That’s actually a very low price for an anti-air missile. For comparison, the Stinger shoulder-fired missile costs more than twice as much. A Patriot missile costs four million dollars (but is much more capable). Presumably minimizing cost was a high priority when this missile was designed. Nonetheless, the cost asymmetry is one reason why degrading the ability of Hamas and Hezbollah to fire missiles at Israel is important.

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Also, depends on what version and flavor of PAC it is

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Absolutely. In the late '80s I was part of an anti-tank guided missile evaluation; each rocket cost around $70k then, so around $185k per today.

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Hamas and Hezbollah are firing any tubes filled with any propellant they can find. you want to reduce the capabilities of groups like Hamas and Hezbollah? don’t fucking go around running an apartheid ethnostate and annexing land on the basis of blood and soil.

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TBH, I think the Israel iron dome system is justified. Bombing Palestinians is not.

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One is defensive and one is a genocide over land. Not really a hard choice for sane people.

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The iron dome enables the genocide.

Not really a hard choice for sane people.

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Iron enables the genocide.

Not really a hard choice for sane people.

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So basically, your perspective is that a system that protects Israeli civilians is immoral because every single Israeli is immoral? Yeah, that seems very sane. /s

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It could be argued that Israel is free to unleash their campaign of genocide because the people in Israel do not experience the horrors themselves. There is no pressure to reach an agreement. Bringing the hostages back has been the only rallying cry by Israelis, but other than that, actually ending the genocide doesn’t have much support.

It’s similar to how so many consumer goods are produced through the use of slavery. That distance and lack of visibility mean there is little pressure from consumers to stop those practices.

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There is zero justification for a colonial apartheid ethnostate. Over seventy years of crimes against humanity are not worth defending.

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I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. It’s a messed up country, but it’s in an extremely messed up part of the world. All of their neighbors are nondemocratic ethnostates, and not even the apartheid kind, they’ve completely driven Jewish people out of their countries. I don’t think standing by and letting Isreal get overrun would be beneficial for the world. I don’t support their offensive military actions but that doesn’t mean I want to see what happens when Hamas/Hezbollah takes over their country.

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There are plenty of places in the west where they would be safe, secure, and could flourish. Hell, many of them are citizens of these countries. My only concern would be letting such a large amount of fascists migrate when we’re already combating the rise of fascism in the west.

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you know, leave it to the nazis to cut all that text down to just 14 words

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you say there is no justification for a colonial apartheid ethnosate, but if that were true, why “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for our children”

the scary thing is people who would otherwise be against fascism for some strange reason turn off their 1488 detectors when talking about the Nation state of Israel, and will gladly embrace the concept of the ethnostate as a moral good.

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How about just starving them? Much cheaper!

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Ugh, that title.

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The system can be overwhelmed by having too many incoming rockets, so it does have its limits.

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