Look, I also left Reddit because it got worse, but this just reads like “I said something racist and people got mad” to me.
“ruins the Internet”? This coming from 4chan? That’s rich
4chan, in part, ruined real life. So much of the initial meme buzz around Trump came directly from 4chan - god emperor, etc. /b/ and /pol/ had large coordinated campaigns to boost Trump for lulz and to fuck with people. These made the news occasionally and were sometimes quite wide-reaching. Edit: not to forget Qanon, pizzagate, etc.
Additionally, 4chan is responsible for a massive swathe of meme culture more broadly. Most people don’t dredge its depths or even know “the hacker named 4chan” exists, but it has been a massively influential force.
There have been dark corners of the internet for several decades now. 4chan is just one. Trump didn’t achieve popularity because of it. There aren’t enough users, and there certainly aren’t enough politically and economically influential users, for that to be true.
imo redditors and 4channers think too highly of themselves if they believe they have real influence on elections. Most people aren’t online (except for Facebook), and politics are much more readily explained by material causes such as the Dems fcking up the post 2008 economic recovery and going for austerity instead of investment. The biggest proximate cause (non-material/economic) is just that hilldawg ran a bad campaign that didn’t focus enough on swing states (but she won the popular vote, congratulations).
4chan doesn’t nearly have the kind of traffic to ever have ruined the internet.
It used to. Used to be the #1 most visited website worldwide for many years.
Whenever I stumble on reddit I make sure to post disinformation or some kind of dumb shit to throw a wrench into the LLM training data they sell to google.
Make sure to have some LLM generate the comment for you, as LLMs learning synthetic data may fuck them up over time: AI models fed AI-generated data quickly spew nonsense
I hate to ruin this for you, but if you post nonsense, it will get downvoted by humans and excluded from any data set (or included as examples of what to avoid). If it’s not nonsensical enough to be downvoted, it still won’t do well vote wise, and will not realistically poison any data. And if it’s upvoted… it just might be good data. That is why Reddit’s data is valuable to Google. It basically has a built in system for identifying ‘bad’ data.
No, you’re missing the point. You make up some credible misinformation to poison AI training with, but you don’t stop there: you get an LLM to rewrite it for you. Retry until you get a text that sounds credible, doesn’t particularly look written by AI, and people will upvote, and post that.
With this, even if the text looks good, you’re not only poisoning future models with the misinformation you started with; by feeding them a text generated by an LLM (even if you can’t tell the difference at first glance) you’re introducing feedback into the model that will also poison it, not with misinformation, but by reinforcing its biases and errors and reducing the variety of its training data.
I just got another one today for “harassment” of zionism in r/worldnews. Reddit cannot hold a free discussion and they know it. They can’t even let you speak to expose their bullshit, and permaban you when you do.
I can you show you the comment which got me banned. I was literally asking questions which they know the answer for but censor intentionally because they are bought and controlled by awful groups directly linked to the IDF themselves. They have a division who train and employe teens as stupid Hasbara trolls who don’t know history and unable to hold a discussion.
“Ruins the internet”
I happen to remember the forum culture of the mid-late 2000s. It wasn’t that great.
Gotta disagree with that. I remember the rampant elitism and tribalism, the shock-culture, isolation of communities, casual bigotry that would make modern 4chan blush, arbitrary forum rules irregularly enforced, etc etc etc.
For all the modern internet’s problems, its communities are much more connected, it’s much more accessible and less elitist, that shock-culture died out, the casual bigotry became contentious instead of accepted, and corporate running the show on most of these sites means that appeals and reversals are much easier than when you would rub some mod the wrong way and get permabanned from a forum you were a long-time member of. Never happened to me, but I saw it numerous times.
It was pretty great, actually. So much creativity, everyone has a normal voice, no YouTube celebrities
So much creativity, everyone has a normal voice,
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You might be wearing nostalgia goggles.
Why is lemmy obsessed with talking about its ex
That’s just the way it is.
When Reddit was new, it mentioned Digg a lot.
When Digg was new, it mentioned /. a lot.
When /. was new (yes, I was there, too), it mentioned Usenet a lot.
At some points in time, the likes of The WELL, the Facepunch forums and Metafilter got their own mentions, prompting me to check them out.
Yeah, at the core, people cause problems when the group gets too big to be a tight knit one. There are also a not insignificant amount of people, who get together, with antisocial behavior in mind. When you have thousands of people, posting on some community forum, it will be impossible for it not have some serious underlying issues. Not to even think of the scale of places like reddit, where that forum could have millions of users.
Back in the day, when IRC ruled the social scene of the internet, it was hard to control a channel that had 100+ people on it, forget about crowds orders of magnitude larger.
Goes to Google and types in a search
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Reddit
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Reddit
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Forum post that links back to Reddit
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YouTube that’s just a bunch of screenshots of Reddit over an automated voice
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Reddit again
Why won’t my ex leave me the fuck alone?
Goes to Google and types in a search
Reddit Reddit Forum post that links back to Reddit YouTube that’s just a bunch of screenshots of Reddit over an automated voice Reddit againWhy won’t my ex leave me the fuck alone?
Oh boy… Just wait until they go full into Gemini. They’re starting to use Gemini and AI in general for search capabilities.
Reddit actually solved that problem for me by blocking themselves from appearing in Bing search results.