Imagine getting outflacked from the left by a normal green socdem when you call yourself a democratic “socialist”
Why waste so much time attacking someone who you think doesn’t have any power? This is the second time I’ve seen AOC going after Jill Stein this month. Kinda pathetic.
God the Overton Window in the US is so fucked lmao
Seriously, Greens would be considered conservatives in Cuba or even France. Yet they’re still somehow leftwing extremists compared to progressives within the DNC.
At least in other places it seems like the economy receding or stagnating has led to some measured resurgence of keynesianism or some resistance to neoliberalism in forms that are distinct from fascism, i.e. left wing populism. In the US the only response to the failure of neoliberalism is more neoliberalism, and anyone who wants an alternative is attacked as a stooge for the fascists (who also just want more neoliberalism).
God the Overton Window in the US is so fucked lmao
I have low expectations and still I was surprised by Kamala “FUCK YOU I LOVE FRACKING” Harris’ showing during the debate
They do actually have a shot at winning though.
As much as people like Claudia are 100x better, the Green’s have over 270 possible electoral votes
AOC wouldn’t be shit-stirring (against a party that she once campaigned for) unless shit was really hitting the fan for the dems.
Can you give me a source for that? I saw the Breakfast club interview, and as much as I want to believe they have a genuine chance to win many electoral votes, are they not just mostly scrambling to get enough Dem voters to force Dems to make concessions?
To be completely honest, no candidates are likely to beat the Imperialist/Fascist combo of Kamala/Trump.
However, the Green’s have waaaaay over 270 possible electoral votes
Versus the map that the Dems keep sharing
And they’re having AOC campaign against her old party (and acting like she’s never even heard of the Green Party that she took the Green New Deal from)
That, along w/ forcing large lib talk-shows to shit on RFK/Stein/Claudia, makes me think that the dem’s internal polls must be abysmal and they are 100% not winning.
Can we get the libs on board for anything left of “hunting the poors for sport”? Likely not
Edit: To clarify, I would vastly prefer the PSL, but I think the Greens have a genuine shot (albeit, likely very naive of me to think so)
The reason why voting Green is productive(ish) is that if they get a high enough % than they get certain rights as a “legitimate” party. Certain federal funds and ballot access are the basic ones. I think if they get a certain amount then they’ll also be included in the presidential debates. If they ever get that far it may just tip their legitimacy enough to make them a viable third-party.
What I want to see is third parties targeting local and state elections where they have a chance of getting in office as opposed to presidential elections which are just neutered demonstrations. I must see the PSL take Chattanooga.
Is there a reason why we haven’t seen this happen?
I get that PSL does the Presidential campaign for exposure, but I don’t see why they don’t do local campaigns where they could actually organize a victory. Shit like that is why I feel like participating in PSL would just be pointless protests without much substance or wins.
Granted, I feel that way about the other parties too. I also talk a lot of shit about DSA but at least they’ve ran candidates and won.
The problem with the Overton window argument is that democrats move right even when they win
“We lost? It’s because we didn’t do enough to appeal to conservative voters!”
“We won? In the spirit of unity, it’s time to work across the aisle with our Republican colleagues.”
Jill Stein living rent free in AOC’s head has been extremely funny.
All of AOC attemps at dunking on her just helping her by making her and her policies more well known and all Jill has been doing is saying “ok but you support genocide” which keeps pissing her off
Why is aoc even tweeting about jill stein thats like essentially promoting her.
i wish I could go back to 2015 and 2019 and get all my $27’s back
My then girlfriend convinced me to join her in donating hundreds to candidates like Bernie, AOC, and other smaller, local people. We even bought cringe merch. I never wore it, even while they were still in our good graces.
I was always very skeptical of them but thought and hoped maybe I would be proven wrong, and if it went well then it would very much be worth it. It was my first time but I’ll never donate to these social fascist campaigns again.
