The Hawaiian state government handled this situation in the worst possible way, but what is the US federal government supposed to do to response as instantly as people want?
Hawaii is thousands of kilometers from the west coast and it’ll still be several days until the federal relief and military convoys (which were immediately displaced on the first day) from California reach the island, and resources for anti firefighting operations were scarce since the magnitude of the disaster was never expected, and there were little to no personnel equipped to handle the disaster on the island itself since most US firefighters are centered in the Pacific Northwest and Canada currently.
Meanwhile Beijing is quite literally the capital of China, so of course response times will be near instant from relief efforts.
Hawaii was colonized by the US’ settler colonialism, which undermined the country’s ability to develop freely without being constrained by the US.
The natives have always known how to properly care for the land and live in harmony with nature. It is the US that is the ultimate reason Hawaii is so vulnerable to disasters today.
Hell, the US even poisoned Hawaii’s supply of groundwater with millions of gallons of fuel leaks.
It’s not a question of how the US federal government is/was supposed to respond. Hawaii should’ve (as in the US shouldn’t have captured their territory) maintained its sovereignty as an independent country, full stop.
Man its too bad the US doesn’t have some kind of massive military apparatus stationed close to Hawaii.
When I think of governments helping their people, I think of Beijing 👍🏻
You know that guy was escorted away and wasn’t crushed by a tank, right? Americans are tricked by their media into thinking he was crushed or something.
China’s been busy working on doing things like eliminating poverty, creating public infrastructure, providing healthcare, housing, food, and education for all citizens. Chinese government practically eliminated poverty, building infrastructure having used more concrete in 3 years than US in all of 20th century, building 27,000km of high speed rail in a decade.
China has also been doing things like ensuring that everyone has housing with 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world.China’s been improving real wages (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) that have gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country, and making sure people have high social mobility.
Congratulations on being unintentionally correct.
Tell me something, if China is so great, why do so many Chinese want to immigrate to the US, where they can get a better education and a better job and provide a better life for themselves and their family?
Where did you get the notion that many Chinese want to immigrate to your shithole country? For example, 80% of Chinese students, including the US, return home. If things are so bad in China and so great in the west then why are they coming back, and why are thousands of scientists fleeing to China from US?
For the same reason many Americans dream of Europe, Southern Europeans of Germany, Europeans that move to the States or Switzerland, or even say Central Asians that move to Russia, people in the countryside move to the city, etc.
There’s the promise of living richer and having more or simply having it easier. There’s nothing else to it and an improvement from Migration doesn’t even necessarily have to come true.
Maybe because by having a headstart of 2 centuries in industrialization and modernization along with pillaging and imperializing most of the globe for the last century , the US has accumulated a ton of riches and a global cultural hegemony that makes citizens even in a rapidly developing nation like China want to go there , especially for richer western-phile ones for whom America might provide a better living. And of course as i said western cultural hegemony and global media dominance make it seem like the American Dream is still a thing and that the grass is greener at the other side. But still your point ,even without this nuance, is losing steam. Chinese migration numbers to the US has been rapidly falling ,as are Chinese enlistments to US collages and schools, with the number of Chinese people repatriating multiplying over the years and the common feeling being “US kinda sucks after all”
It depends on which government.
The US is still a federal system with states acting as sovereign entities with powers and responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is for disaster relief. FEMA is there to provide guidance and resources, but disaster relief is supposed to be deployed at the state level. This is one of reasons why the National Guard has responsibilities to individual states.
Hawaii has never seen any wildfire or wildfire conditions like this before: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/10/climate/hawaii-fires-climate-change.html
Of course there should be preparations to counter climate change as it continues to aggravate situations like this, but I don’t like the excuse where the feds can blame the states and the states can blame the feds when shit hits the fan. It has become an excuse for inaction. Hurricane Katrina, Texas ice storms, California wildfires, the Kentucky floods, this could have been sorted out looonng ago.
Why do we make the choice to keep things this way when they always lead to disasters?
The problem is that the alternative is having the federal government immediately intervene in any emergency, which states would likely complain about.
I guess the problem then is I care about having a government that doesn’t want to kill me or leave me to die, then. Excuse me, I should have been caring about civility within our decaying governing structure while people roast alive on the street! Oh you’ve made me see the light, you sure have.
Its sad, I pray for all the victims. Its all over the news in America.
We have to be clear about the fact that this was not merely a “tragic accident” it was a crime. This was mass murder by the settler state on a colonized people. The neglectful policies of the colonial government of Hawaii compounded on the effects of climate change which the US is doing everything it can to accelerate and which they know will disproportionately affect indigenous populations and poor people.
Whether or not the fire was set by someone or started “naturally” the blame still lies on those who created the conditions in which it could get this out of control and result in so many victims. If you allow an entire island to turn into a tinderbox and on top of that fail to prepare an adequate response then you are responsible for the fire and the destruction it causes, regardless of where the first spark came from. The people who have the most blood on their hands in this incident are those who sit thousands of miles away in their offices and make policies or run companies which continue to contribute to global warming.
CHINA IS THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND EVERYONE SHOULD ASPIRE TO BE LIKE THEM. ITS NOT BAD TO HAVE LABOR CAMPS OR SOCIAL CREDIT SCORES.
I was browsing all and saw your cute post. Then I looked up what this sub is.
So you are serious then? You all go out of your way to praise China for free? Weird hobby imo.
ITS NOT BAD TO HAVE LABOR CAMPS OR SOCIAL CREDIT SCORES
Okay, let’s go see about these so-called “labor camps” and “social credit scores”
Social credit system: China’s “Social Credit Score System” - Fact or Fiction?
Xinjiang “labor camps”: Deep Dive: Adrian Zenz & Claims of “Coerced Labor” in Xinjiang China
Or the world’s biggest manufacturing base, world’s largest economy by PPP, no recession in over 40 years, 90% homeownership rate, elimination of absolute poverty, world leader in green technology, leader in automation technology, etc., etc…
Yeah, but a Christian fundamentalist who had a dream where god told him he needs to destroy China discovered that China is genociding culturally genociding putting Weegies in camps! So clearly, Chinabad and we’re all morons for trusting them. Much better to trust the US state department and their incredibly trustworthy sources.
