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I still have no idea how Fracking became something that Dems supported. Fracking is like taking a shit in your ground water.

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Someone else pointed out that they blocked the fracking bill.

However, this is a tough topic for Dems, and it’s one of the reasons the Teamsters haven’t endorsed them; one of the reasons is because industries like fracking provides well-paying blue-collar jobs.

Remember, back in 2016, when Hillary said at a rally that if she was elected they were going to shut down the coal industry? That was a “they said the quiet part out loud” moment for blue-collar industry, and while it’s too much blame to lay on Hillary, it really did drive another nail in the coffin of blue-collar support for Democrats, which they’re still struggling to recover.

Democrats have two conflicting goals: support blue collar jobs, and stop environmental destruction. Actions like this benefit the environment, but cost them votes and the support of Unions.

It’s a catch-22. Biden did a fantastic thing showing up at that picket line, but there’s a long way to go to recover those blue-collar votes.

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industries like fracking provides well-paying blue-collar jobs.

I hate this so much. Can I create a business that employs people to add small amounts of cyanide to a city’s water supply and when they try to shut me down claim they’re taking jobs away from Americans?

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You’re not wrong, but the oil and gas industry, and generations of families have made livings on it, and our resulting current world status and wealth is largely founded upon it.

It’s a problem; you can hate the problem, but ignoring it isn’t a solution, and it’s cost Democrats elections. This isn’t a handful of Klansmen; it’s an entire industry. The supply chain employs nearly 10M people in the US. Telling then you fuck off, relocate, and find different jobs doesn’t win any votes.

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Please don’t try, that’s all I’m saying

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Um, the Democrats stopped a pro fracking bill…

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I assume they’re referring to Harris saying that, as president, she would not ban fracking and taking that to mean that she supports it.

However, not banning something doesn’t necessarily mean you actually support it. I would think that being in support of fracking means you’d be looking to encourage/expand it. Which she hasn’t done to my knowledge.

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Yeah, I suppose that could be it. Also, I don’t think that people realize that if a major party candidate called for a ban on fracking with the on-going war in Ukraine still an issue, it would send energy prices across the world skyrocketing. One of the whole reasons we’ve been ramping up production in the US is to stabilize oil prices.

Yet another reason it would be really nice if Republicans quit playing games about aid and support for Ukraine. The quicker Russia withdraws troops, the quicker we can step away from fracking.

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Yes but they have been supporting it on the campaign trail.

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No, Harris said she wouldn’t ban it - that’s not the same. Part of the reason we’ve ramped up production in the US is to stabilize global energy prices that were wildly climbing after Russia invaded Ukraine. If we hadn’t, there would be much broader global pressure on Ukraine to capitulate and cede part of its territory to Russia.

If she’d said in the debate that she’d support banning fracking, it would have sent global oil prices spiraling upwards just on the threat of it.

We get Putin out of Ukraine, we can start stepping away from fracking. But a permanent ban is unlikely for just this reason we find ourselves in now - geopolitical events may mean we have to do it again in an emergency. Without such an emergency there’s still a lot we can do to stop it outside extreme situations.

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Another silly bill coming from the clown-show Republican House. I’m really crossing my fingers for a trifecta, so we can get actually useful policy accomplished. Get’er done Americans!

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I fear the Senate is going to lose their majority. But who knows? Maybe all of this fuckin around is going to bite them in the ass.

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So the bill just prevents Harris from declaring a fracking ban. I guess that’s technically pro-fracking, but a vote against that bill isn’t necessarily anti-fracking - rather they may just prefer an unrestricted Harris who has all options on the table.

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