If you have better source than the guardian let me know. I’m posting this because i’m surprised nobody has posted it yet
What is the controversy about the guardian?
Edit: No evidence of misinformation, disinformation or propaganda. Gotcha
When will the day come when there is peace and there are no bombers in the Middle East?
When will the day come when there is peace and there are no bombers in the Middle East?
When humans remove themselves from this planet from one or more of war / climate change / doing nothing but grinding games that give cryptocurrency and forgetting to eat.
Let’s not pretend all humans are incapable of peace just because we have a system which makes the greedy and cruel rise to the top.
Let’s not pretend that the human world was not purposefully produced by humans who continually decide to leave the status quo as it is.
I’m autistic, you’re not going to be able to lie to me with “but I want things to be better”. Give me evidence.
I just want to point out something really important about this whole conflict.
Despite the fact that Iran is heavily funding and arming multiple terrorist groups to attack Israel, both in the Palestinian territories and surrounding countries, Iran has no Palestinian refugees according to the UN groups that report on such things.
Why would a country which purposes to be just involved to “help Palestinians” be acting in such a way?
Maybe they’re helping Palestine because they don’t want tons of refugees? Israel is determined to ethnically cleanse millions of citizens and it makes sense that none of the surrounding countries want to deal with that. The best thing for their self-interest, and luckily ethics in general, is to stop Israel’s continuous genocidal campaign.
A) They don’t have ANY refugees. Despite there being almost 7 million Palestinians living outside of Palestine, which is more people than live IN Palestinian territories.
B) If you think the best way for Iran to ethically “help” is to continue sending weapons to Palestine that justify the Israeli invasion, you may want to go take an ethics class. At this point their “help” has got more Palestinians killed than doing nothing would have.
Doing nothing has gotten them killed, too. Look at the West Bank. Look at the March of Return. Doesn’t Palestine have a right to defend themselves?
Also, there are tons of Palestinians refugees. 1.9 million have already been forced to flee their homes in this conflict, and there are 2.4-5.6 million from previous ones. They mostly go to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt.
Power projection and spite.
Iran cares to fuck with the US, Isreal, and other western powers, likely a ripple effect of this, and Isreal has demonstrated Iran cannot control its own airspace.
Palestinians have been seeking outside support since the 1948 UN resolution to create the 2 nations / the nakba, even going so far as getting support from the right wing Israeli government .
It’s a business deal not a moral one.
Israel’s actions have also put them, and the US, in a (demonstrably) bad light on the world stage, so any support to Palestinians is a PR win for Iran and everyone who’s competing with the US for influence so Russia and China love it too.
Are you addressing this comment to people who think Iran is… good? You’re right that they are not nice.
I think I understand your point: Iran is just in it to hurt Israel and doesn’t actually care about Palestinians.
But then isn’t the enemy Iran? How is killing some Lebanese child alongside a “terrorist” going to stop the next attack? Iran will just continue funding, surely? Probably with more willing recruits.
Obviously nobody wants war with Iran, I get that. So, and I know this is crazy, but maybe this is a problem you can’t murder your way out of? Just an idea.
The blame needs to lie with the aggressors, which in this case is Iran. People see Palestinians dying and assume that Israel is just beating them up because they’re bullies, when it’s Iran that’s doing the bullying via terrorist groups and Israel is just fighting back.
Diplomacy won’t solve the issue, because Iran doesn’t want a diplomatic solution and is happy to keep handing out guns and rockets to disillusioned young men just to weaken Israel for as long as they want.
So do you think Israel should go to war with Iran? Or are you happy with innocent Palestinians and Lebanese paying the price instead?
But I will say, when Israel does something, the blame lies with Israel. The blood of the dead is on Israel’s hands and it will never wash off.
The blame needs to lie with the aggressors, which in this case is Iran.
This is a matter of perspective. If you were to ask Iran, they’d argue they’re supporting Palestinian freedom fighters who Israel aggressively removed from their homeland in 1948, and has been treating with aggression ever since. Back then, there were zionist groups that were labelled as terrorists. Iran has no strategic reason to oppose Israel, they have ideological and historical reasons to do so. Stopping the train of thought at “they want to weaken Israel” is not good enough, you need to grab a history book and ask yourself why they want to weaken specifically Israel so much.
For us, it might seem that there is a conflict that started on october 7th. To them, the conflict never stopped since 48.
I guess the Lebanese allowing their government and military to be infiltrated and usurped by Iranian and Iranian funded terrorists, for the past 40 years, which continually attack the far superior armed Israel from Lebanese territory, with no domestic internal Lebanese fight back, at all, wasn’t such a great idea after all, huh. I mean, who knew.
Last time Lebanon and Israel were at war Israel lost. Hezbollah is better armed and trained now, and Israel is more isolated than ever. Israel is bombing civilian areas now, using terrorism because they cannot effectively stop Hezbollah rockets from hitting targets in ‘Israel’. People of Lebanon support Hezbollah and actions against Israel, they aren’t being held hostage.
Bruh… quit your BS propaganda. I know a family from south Lebanon, its Hezbollah martial law there. And if you have the audacity to have critical thoughts on Hezbollah/Iran/Hamas you get beaten or killed…
Political Hezbollah has only 12 seats in Lebanon, they are a minority, yet they control everything. Government is corrupted and keep a blind eye on what they do. Vast majority of Lebanese want them out. Recession and corruption is entirely Hezbollah/Iran doing.
You dont even know history and can’t even spell Lebanon, you are a troll…
Putting Israel in quotes tells me everything I need to know about your background.
Maybe you’re just a biased idiot? (Or is that antisemitism?)
Considering that Benji “Israel” Netanyahu keeps occupying lands that nobody in the civilized world will accept as Israel’s (see Europe and ignore US), maybe the quotes make sense.
