Hey everyone, I’m honestly really liking Lemmy so far. Maybe that’s because it feels so much like browsing reddit 10 years ago and I think it’s safe to say many of us have migrated from the blackout. I’d been a Reddit user since 2010 so I’ve witnessed the slow decline over the years but popping here has really driven home how corporate it started to feel–less like a genuine hub of community and more like a manufactured product with low effort content and some genuine discussion/input peppered throughout.
That said, does anyone feel the idea of a federated platform might be confusing to some less network-savvy users? There’s other successful multi-server platforms like Discord but somehow for me the idea of a ‘chatroom’ versus something more like a forum/board seems like it would make more sense to a less informed user. I could see hearing that posts are aggregating from other sites or being cross-visible confusing to individuals who understand web usage as, ‘visit site–post to site–view content on site’.
Does that make sense? lol Anyways, loving the site so far–hope to see it grow!
IMO, everybody tries to explain what fediverse is, instances are, how they work, so on, and so forth. That’s what is pushing people away. Just point them to one place. Lemmy.world seems to have the least friction to signup (no approval, only email confirmation), while also hosting a lot of communities. Just tell people to signup on lemmy.world, and search for whatever communities they want to join, and subscribe to the one with most subscribers. That should be enough. No need to ‘educate’ them on how fediverse works.
I think it will … if I look at my own use-cases for sites like this, it’s connecting with people over shared interests (rather than instances) or scrolling memes. I don’t see how any of these use cases benefit from federation (from the user perspective). The looming threat of information disappearing due to defederation, the confusion about instances, etc … that’s off-putting even to tech-savvy users.
Also ultimately I find it questionable from a philosophical perspective. Why should it matter which instance is your “home” instance, unless that’s specifically the way of interaction you’re looking for?
Again, for me it’s interests over instances, and I think the federation aspect is just an additional layer that doesn’t add any value.
It shouldn’t be a turn off, but it absolutely is right now. Why does federation have to be so visible to the end user? I really don’t get it, things could just be federated mostly behind the scenes. It already goes wrong on the homepage where users are faced with “joining a server” and they get overwhelmed by technical terms like “instances” “fediverse” “lemmyverse”. Then you have to pick a server and one of the first things you potentially see is complicated url’s no one can ever remember and descriptions containing keywords like “piracy”, “NSFW”, “furry” and lots of other stuff most people aren’t interested in. But this already sets the tone of what content there is, which could be good but could also just scary people away pretty quickly.
Then even if a user does decide to go through and pick a server, they need to remember the URL of it. Lots of people still just go to google and type “lemmy”, land on the homepage and see no login button and get completely lost.
And that’s just signing up.
There needs to be a focus on UX, more specifically in getting rid of all that technical jazz for non technical users and in guiding users toward the content they want to see. People aren’t finding the content or are just stuck on a page that doesn’t update for days. All the different server related stuff should be invisible unless you want to see it.
There’s just way too much focus on “federation” that few people actually care about. If you want people of all ages and interests, it’ll have to become a lot simpler.
I mean, all this applies to email, an yet people still use it. And email doesn’t even have an join-email.com that guides users, so I guess lemmy already has a better experience.
I’ve only just joined and that’s because the past few times when I went to join I was confused about joining a certain server. I figured I’d have to investigate which server is best before I joined one and found it was the wrong one.
Now I’m realising it doesn’t matter too much. However the toggle at the top of the main page between ‘subscribed’, ‘local’ and ‘all’ took me some time to realise. That was only when I’d subscribed to groups and they weren’t appearing on the main page. So wondering how I get to see them was already a point of annoyance.
Having that automatically toggle to ‘subscribed’ once you’ve started down that path would have helped.
Anyway, Once you’re past choosing a server it all feels strangely familiar and I’m liking it a lot.
I wish we could just stop making a big deal out of the federation, other than choosing an initial home and having perceived duplicate groups it has more or less no impact to the front end users.
It’s a backend thing and we need to bury it more in the UI so people don’t feel it.
Exactly. Make it infrastructure that’s hidden away from the front end. Find some way to wrap up duplicate groups into larger categories or something, and figure out a way to migrate accounts if your home instance tanks. That would cover all my concerns.
Each community on each instance should have at least one required tag when created. There should be a list of tags available. If you make a meme community, you use the meme tag, and it lumps your community in with every other one that has the meme tag, then you can subscribe to a tag and it shows you all posts from all communities in that tag. There should then be a way to hide posts from certain communities within that tag if they start getting stupid. Not sure how viable this is though.
There’s a huge stigma around it. A lot of friction with mastodon. I think they’re working toward meta-communities.
I do have worries about people signing up to smaller nodes and losing all their posts/subs/data when a node shuts down. It would be kinda cool if we had the ability to merge nodes or have a true decentralized login.
I’m not really up on the intricacies of the federation philosophy, but why isn’t it just distributed p2p style?
So there would be 1 forward facing thing that you interact with, but all of the backend functions would be spread across all the volunteer servers/instances. Like torrent seeding.
Maybe that’s not even feasible, but I’ve been wondering since I joined.
