I don’t think that you need any more proof that all of these pop up third party efforts are simply republicans funding some of the most ostentatious left wingers out there in order to ratfuck democratic presidential efforts. none of these people can win 270 electoral votes because they aren’t on enough ballots to get there. FACT.
anyone who tells you that they can still win is a political idiot who doesn’t know what they’re talking about and should be ignored or someone with a vested interest in making sure that democrats get fewer votes than they should letting the only other viable party option win. left wingers included.
if there were a real serious third party looking at real electoral victories they should start organizing at the local level with a real long term strategy of growth and do it for all years, not just the ones divisible by 4. by not doing anything except in a presidential election year they are only reinforcing and perpetuating the “corrupt duopoly” they hate so much.
"No, you don’t get it, once they get to 5% they are automatically on the ballots. Once serious candidate Jill Stein no longer has her own inept team as the obstacle it is all over for the duopoly! 1 in 20 people voting for her is realistic and it’s not like there is a possible disastrous outcome that could occur.
“I couldn’t possibly vote for the duopoly since that makes me complicit. I’ll just spend tons of time online campaigning for MAGA, which does not make me complicit because of reasons.”
You’re happily reducing the number of votes that the major party candidate who you think will do the most harm needs to receive in order to win your state.
Only if you assume their vote is owed to some candidate instead of earned. They could just as easily sit out, like the majority of the US does. The default is voting for no one, thus nowhere does this reduce votes any candidate needs. You cannot assume the default is voting for the candidate YOU like, and that any deviation from that is ‘taking votes away’ from someone who never earned them it the first place. They were never Harris’ votes to begin with.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
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I love how blue MAGA is simply incapable of comprehending why leftists don’t want to vote for a fascist-adjacent party that regularly marginalizes, victimizes, and takes advantage of its leftist coalition members.
Their minds short circuit and it’s always Russian bots or fascist anti-fascists or something equally ridiculous.
As the contradictions of the collapsing American empire grow too large to ignore, this behavior from the center will continue.
To answer the point, yes I’d rather vote for Claudia than Harris. Because in your propagandized mind, a Republican victory is the worst case scenario.
To leftists that have been paying attention to the DNC’s politics and how they serve the American empire, a DNC win is the “bad guys” winning. Just the same way a GOP win would be.
In democracy-based forms of government, candidates need to earn votes. In fascist authoritarian governments, you owe the candidate your vote.
Really weird how yall are projectin not understanding how government works, but I’m glad I could clear that up for you.
It’s really a shame how every accusation from liberals is a confession. Oh damn, yet another time MAGA and blue MAGA held hands. I just keep running into that for some weird reason.
In general, I agree that voting for a person isn’t going to bring about the change that I am sure we both wish to happen, but I would like to say that the choice for most blue MAGA people isn’t about that?
The choice for them is voting or staying at home, as for them, a third-party vote is akin to picking the couch. For a lot of them, the mask-off MAGA movement restricting abortion and further eroding minority rights is still too much to bear to not vote blue. In general, most people on the left I talk to still vote in spite of the fascist-adjacent rhetoric.
Yes, you’d be right to say that harm reduction is futile, and a line has to be drawn somewhere, but fuck me if I choose to live with the guilt of voting morally than picking the option I deem helpful to the most amount of people realistically.
