27 points

The existence of GOG and Steam is why gaming is bearable in 2024

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Just make sure you download them and back them up yourself because they certainly can revoke your ability to download them from their servers, is what they are implying here.

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74 points

Sure, just like other brick and mortar stores can refuse to give you backups of a DVD you own.

As long as the installer works offline this is just as good. It’s up to you to store it in whichever format you prefer so that you don’t lose it - hard drive, thumb drive, DVD…

If you nuke your computers hard drive with the installers of your games, or you step on your blu rays with games and break them, then you lose access to them. As it’s always been, no matter the format?

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2 points

yeah, keep backups.

i’ve got some a few old games bought on floppies or cds that are knackered now. A few of them i’ve ended up buying again from gog.

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50 points

Luckily there are some friendly people with eye patches and peglegs on the internet backing them up for you.

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43 points

“It’s not piracy, it’s federated backups!”

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8 points

I like this. I’m not stealing it, just copying it for personal use.

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10 points

Good luck finding a semi obscure 15 year old game on the high seas.

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14 points

You might be surprised. Plenty of sites backing up whatever they can. Try archive.org and various abandonware sites.

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2 points

Will they also help during a zombie apocalypse? Asking for a friend…

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In case of zombie apocalypse, your best friends will probably be a bicycle (to get away from the zombies in almost any terrain and road condition, not be without industrial fuel the next day, and be able to do needed repairs with rough tools and scraps that can be found), a hunting knife, and maybe a crossbow if you can find one (weapons that can be sharpened and reused, and crossbow allowing random joes to just make piercing sticks (again with scraps that can be found anywhere) that work like an arrow, again weapons that do not depend on industrial infrastructure that will not be available anymore). Games that need electricity would be extremely hard to use, it’s better to buy card decks that have multiple rule sets for different games to play, like french decks and tarot, maybe a tabletop set that also has multiple games.

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51 points

Yeah, like when you buy a physical copy of a gane, it’s up to you to make sure you keep that copy somewhere you can find it again, assuming it hasn’t started decomposing.

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24 points

Well yes, of course. They sell you an installer and it’s on you to download it. That the servers could be turned off at one point in the future because the company doesn’t have money any more should be clear. It’s on you to save the installer on your own hard drive, not the companies!

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The missing context here (I think) is that California passed a law saying that digital storefronts (like steam and gog) can’t say things like “buy game” because you aren’t actually gaining ownership of the game, but instead just buying a license to access it. Some people were questioning if this law should apply to gog since their games are drm free and can be freely installed on any compatible devices once you download the installer.

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38 points

It should because their use agreement makes it clear that you don’t own the games but are licensing them. That’s pretty much why they had to clarify what they said I’d imagine. IMO, proving the point of the law, really.

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31 points

This is equally true for almost any game ever sold, including physical ones. You only ever own a license that specifies what you can and cannot do with the game. The difference is in what this license is tied to, for example either a physical copy of a given game or an account that can be remotely deactivated taking away all your games. In GOG’s case once you grab the installer, the game license cannot be easily forcibly revoked, just as with the physical copy.

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14 points

Thanks for saying this.

With recent campaigns and rants against digital media, people often claim that “you own the game if you buy a physical copy”. That always makes me sigh, because it’s false.

Not saying there are some advantages for some use cases, but I dislike hyperbole and untruths.

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The difference with physical is that you own the physical medium the license is stored on and are permitted to sell the physical medium with the license. With digital downloads you are not allowed to sell a drive with the files. Since you are technically making a copy.

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It doesn’t really matter because it doesn’t change the point that people think they own digital goods when they don’t. GOG may have a more consumer friendly system in place but it doesn’t change what has happened with people’s music, movies, shows, games and music in games at these digital storefronts, where people have clicked “Buy X” and later on, it’s no longer in their libraries anymore. This has happened even when the business still exists and is still providing digital goods.

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Isn’t the law only about always online games?

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10 points

That was my understanding as well.

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7 points

California Governor Gavin Newsom has signed a law, AB 2426, to address concerns over “disappearing” purchases of digital media, including games, movies, music, and ebooks.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/you-think-you-own-your-games-california-law-says-otherwise/1100-6526747/

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1 point

Some of their games are drm-free/have offline installers

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13 points

Yeah, I should have gone with GoG every chance I could. I guess it’s never to late to switch

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32 points

Can confirm for both Gog and steam I have always had access to the original fallout which went missing off store fronts for a number of years

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sadly about 60% of the games i have through steam do not function in “offline mode”

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15 points

That might not be on steam but the way the game was made and even if it gotten thru piracy that it would still not work.

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