I don’t know why I’m surprised they don’t but I really expected that maybe this time they would care even a tiny bit.
Like they kinda sorta cared a little bit about healthcare for a minute and that blew over, and then they kinda sorta cared about minority rights for longer than I expected so that was cool but these issues are actually kind of historically complex and difficult to solve so I wasn’t too surprised when libs just… fucking forgot. Climate change, me too, student loan debt…all sorta kinda complex in certain ways.
But genocide is so simple. It’s probably the least complicated issue that libs have ever had to confront. Bombs go out children go boom it cannot be less complicated.
And yet here we are with libs across America hand wringing about how well it’s maybe not genocide and maybe it’s somehow complicated and maybe we should talk about it after we defeat Trump who we’re SURE will do this complicated thing we can’t quite understand worse somehow.
I guess if genocide staring libs in the actual face isn’t enough to get them to care a tiny itty bitty bit about maybe trying to do something good for once…is there anything that possibly could? I can’t imagine much worse of a thing than literal genocide. Maybe libs are just wholly incapable of using their brains or their hearts in any capacity at all.
And if that’s the case is there any hope at all? I know there is but man this moment watching this election and everyone cheering wholeheartedly for as much genocide as they possibly can might be one of the most hopeless I’ve ever felt
They are fully broken by lesser-evilism. Dems have them by the balls with the threat of the GOP. It has worked for decades and it won’t stop working anytime soon. There are no depths to which they will not sink for this. They accurately perceive that they do not have any way of influencing the political system while staying within the bounds of their comfortable lifestyle beyond voting & writing to their congressperson.
except that getting your balls crushed hurts. The only “hurt” inflicted on comfy liberals during the trump era was the incessant media coverage reminding them they are in the bad place now becuz of trump.
It’s such a fucking obvious lie that democrats are meaningfully better
Amerikkka was founded on genocide, grown by slavery, and maintained by imperial exploitation of the global south. The libs fully realize that their lifestyles are dependent on crushing any opposition to empire, and so chose to ignore the atrocities that are committed in their name.
The libs fully realize that their lifestyles are dependent on crushing any opposition to empire,
maybe some in political power but the average american doesn’t know anything about any systems or their place in them
food comes from the grocery store.
As a Klanadian (little different), the average settler-Klanadian can at least recognize that their grocery store, their neighborhood, their entire country is built on stolen land whose theft sustained through consistent lowkey genocide. Some people can recognize how fucked that is (increasingly more, at least). Others will wring their hands, look the other way, and pretend they feel bad about it but “it is what it is” now (while harboring plenty of racist biases, etc). Others still will be actively supportive of retaining their hateful status quo, and a portion of all three demographics will engage in perpetuating it in one way or another, because that’s how their bread is buttered, if nothing else.
Same goes for AmeriKKKa, and same goes for the racial hierarchy and divide-and-conquer system across the west, the imperialist economic systems that sustain the west, etc. It’s easy to claim innocence, right up until the colored peoples (as an Asian myself) are becoming “competition,” right up until material, or even just social equality (nevermind even reparations to this group or that, or to the entire countries and nations lying in ruins, or the return of stolen goods) is brought to the table.
Not saying all Americans/white westerners are guilty, hell, the majority are varying degrees of ignorant as you describe and many are also genuinely innocent and appalled by the system. Liberals though certainly are exactly just as asg101 described though (those that aren’t, don’t remain libs for long), and for the rest- well, while I think there’s truth to what you both say, obviously and sadly I think it leans more in the negative direction, especially when push comes to shove.
There’s somewhat more opposition that there seems to be. Campus protests and all.
yeah honestly the defeatism and erasure is driving me up the wall. We’ve had unprecedented actions and growth of said actions every few years by the masses who are the ones who make history; from the mobilization and then radicalizations of disaffected left-liberals after the Bernie failure, to the George Floyd uprising and its aftershocks, and now these sustained anti-zionist protests calling to free Palestine that never would have happened like this a decade ago; while communists and socialist-unionists like IWW are and have been out there every day doing work organizing workplaces, including the PSL getting near nationwide ballot access and more coverage than the active corporate censorship of them when mentioning 3rd parties would have liked; and every socialist gun club from JBGC to SRA to MRA has seen swelling in numbers for the past 8 years. CPUSA grew so much that fed-opportunist-revisionist-national couldn’t manage its rank-and-file and had to purge a huge amount of branches of real communists around the country who were banding together to petition national against electoralism-for-genociders and for recognition of the colonial question — and are now free from that dead-end controlled organization who siphons people on name recognition alone. People are being increasingly screwed over and have been increasingly sympathetic to socialism. The degree to which it has become easier for me to express communist views and be heard compared to years ago (even early as pre-2016) is night and day. And there’s still work to be done.
Communism faces more undermining and damage from defeatists who think online doom-saying and bourgeois-media-landscapes are real reality and then project that outward to people who need to be inspired rather than deflated, than from the liberals and reactionaries themselves. Everyone who is able needs to join an org, and if one can’t, the least one can do is inspire and not erase your comrades who’ve been in the struggle for years as “no real leftist movement exists” or belittle and sap energy from mass movements with essentializing opportunist “it’s hopeless its all liberals and they all want genocide fascist victory is inevitable and we must flee or die;” which also ignores that everyone other than people raised by Marxists will start as liberals in the USA by default; and many of the people who came out in the Floyd uprisings and now against genocide were and are libs, or vague ‘leftists’ without political education and organization who just need onboarded, so liberals with socialist sympathies.
Ironically it’s a symptom of unpurged Liberalism for the socialists here who started out as Liberals to not have the long-term continuity of memory of one’s own transformation to do this derision of liberals as a ‘lost cause’ for bringing to our side. Imagine if others who affected their own political transformations said the same, where would they be? It’s naked opportunism at best; because most of the masses are liberals; even the “apolitical” disaffected workers are mostly liberals who have withdrawn from political activism because that’s the default of our western societies. Communists don’t fall from the sky, they are made by us leading by example proving demonstrating we are fighting and we are right and we are right to fight, as their own lived experiences and worsening conditions make it impossible to deny or ignore any longer. And as empire and climate collapses, this will only rapidly accelerate.
We need to be realistic and materialist with how we can best utilize our energy in the face of great odds against us (as has always been the case in every revolutionary movement) and not direct it uselessly toward petty bourgeois contrarians with no interest in the truth let alone organizing with us; but that being realistic goes both ways. Writing off the masses, who are the people who make history, and so the people that communists need to figure out how to lead; and writing off the people doing the work now and every day as ‘not going to make a difference’ rather than helping and joining them, is actively counter-revolutionary, and it is also not materialist; as capitalist crises will continue to get worse for working masses, that “centrist” position will vanish, and it is our job to lean the scales our way for the working masses and have the roads forward already opened for them and our slogans exposing the points-of-attack on the capitalist and imperialist contradictions burning in their minds from having already been hearing them.
No, not even a little bit. They only care about defending their employers’ capital, nothing else. Personally I don’t bother having a conversation with a liberal, honestly they are extremely idiotic and ignorantly evil people. How is it possible that they see a video of a mangled baby and the first thing they think is that the baby was used as a shield? How is it possible that they have such distorted judgement? They are defenders of fascism, and fascism is not tolerated, it is destroyed.
This was the whole point of spending several decades telling American liberals that the global left is literally worse than nazis. Biden himself helped spread a myth about genocide being committed in China. Now your average lib believe the dems are the best thing even theoretically possible, so you just have to accept some genocide. It’s incoherent, but we haven’t been trained to think about politics in a rigorous way. The other problem is actual genocide doesn’t bother a lot of people.
Biden himself helped spread a myth about genocide being committed in China.
In a vacuum, idfk. You probably could make some kind of argument regarding the very rapid industrial expansion of the Chinese bureaucracy into Xinjiang and the callousness with which state officials imposed national policy over the heads of locals.
But when Uighur=Genocide but Hamas=Had-it-Coming, what the fuck is any sane leftist supposed to say about China? We went from pointing to rapid urbanization of the western frontier and saying “This is a ruthless land grab by an imperial power!” to covering our eyes in Rafa and Beirut and Isfahan while shouting “Israel has a right to exist, okay!”
The other problem is actual genocide doesn’t bother a lot of people.
Genocide is just another political team sport. When the Bad Guys are doing genocide, its not bad because its the obliteration of whole population centers. Its bad because those populations were on Your Team and They’re Scoring Points Against You every time a swath of humanity gets culled like so much wheat caught in a combine. Israelis rant about Oct 7th because they’re upset Palestine put points on the board. That’s all.
It’s the same shit with Cuba and Venezuela and Haiti back on our side of the planet. The inhumanity is just Good Ethnicity scoring points on Bad Ethnicity. Its a big fucking game and we’re all just cheering for our side.
The inhumanity is just Good Ethnicity scoring points on Bad Ethnicity. Its a big fucking game and we’re all just cheering for our side.
please read a book
Also did you just fucking compare
the callousness with which state officials imposed national policy over the heads of locals
With Israel leveling hospitals in Gaza?
log off and jog on mate
the callousness with which state officials imposed national policy over the heads of locals
With Israel leveling hospitals in Gaza?
I can’t imagine a better comparison of ostensibly democratic state officials callously disregarding local public opinion than Biden sending bombs to Netanyahu to murder your Nan living abroad.
It’s the same shit with Cuba and Venezuela and Haiti back on our side of the planet.
What genocide did they commit? Please, we would like to know.
What genocide did they commit?
The US has been trying to alternately starve Cuba and Venezuela into submission and fuel armed insurrection since their respective revolutions began. And Haiti has been under siege for centuries. How long do you get to commit social murder before it qualifies as genocide?
Americans are utterly blase about this industrial killing. But as soon as Haitian migrants get to Ohio, they start to notice the violence that’s taking place inside their own borders. Democrats only seem capable of acknowledging the humanity of people once their inside the magic border line.
“I think they’re both genocidal freaks.”
“Who are they genociding?”
“The Palestinians”
“So you think Kamala is worse than Cheeto head?”
It’s a smart play, really. You can’t deny genocide if you literally don’t comment on it or care about the core of my opinion (frustrating an oppressor is… le good! There are conditions where it would be unreasonable to condemn someone for violent resistance. The damage done to the oppressor in pursuit of the cessation of their subjugation is almost certainly irrelevant).
