I’ve been inspecting this topic quite a lot and I’m a little confused now. So, we have reasons not to use Signal, reasons not to use Matrix, there were also some claims about Session being a fraught. Briar is mostly activists related (not very suitable for daily use), XMPP lacks good clients and suffers from fragmentation of protocol standards implementation, SimpleX is too feature-incomplete (no UnifiedPush support, big battery drain on Android, very decent desktop client without any message sync). I can’t say a lot about Threema or Wire, as I’m not very familiar with them.

So, my question is — is there any good private messenger at all? What do you think is the most acceptable option?

EDIT: In addition to my post:

All messengers have their flaws, I’m well aware of that. I was interested in hearing users’ opinions regarding these shortcomings, not in finding the perfect messenger. I may have worded my thoughts incorrectly, sorry for that.

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That article in Signal is bogus. It is entirely based on speculation from how funding comes in, and also either ignores, or misunderstands how Signal fundamentally works.

The EFF recommends Signal, and it’s one of the most secure ways to communicate.

https://ssd.eff.org/module/how-to-use-signal

You can make your own decisions, but if you just grab any random arguments, you’ll find a reason to doubt everything.

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You can make your own decisions, but if you just grab any random arguments, you’ll find a reason to doubt everything.

Agreed. Especially if your source is Dessalines. 🙄

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Lemmy has some sort of slander campaign going against Signal. Can’t tell if it’s just misinformed idiots or a paid shill smear campaign being run here (likely the former, Lemmy is too small for companies to give a shit about.) It’s really annoying. Same with Mozilla and Firefox. Not sure Lemmy likes anything?

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Give me your phone number so I can chat with you on signal about this.

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Signal has usernames (must be enabled) and you can have your phone number hidden from public view & prevent it from being used to search up your acc

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The US-state-department funding is important sure, but you also ignored every other point in that article.

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Do you make the same criticism of TOR?

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That rabbit hole goes very deep, but I’m not knowledgeable enough to speak on it. It could very well be a crypto AG style honey-pot, or already cracked tech, that we might not know about for years to come.

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Signal, Threema, SimpleX.

Your source is ridiculous. Please educate yourself about more how Signal works.

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Almost all those can be self-hosted, and built from source, so matrix, xmpp, simplex, are fine. Don’t use anything that’s uses a centralized server in a five eyes country, like signal or threema.

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How is Threema in a five eyes country?

I mean, sure, only the clients are open source. Don’t use it for that.

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After looking at the article about why not to use Signal it sounds like you’re looking for any excuse no matter how small to not use something. If that’s the case you might as well not communicate with anyone at all.

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So, we have reasons not to use Signal, reasons not to use Matrix

yes, nearly all possible things in the world have been argued by someone somewhere already

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These reasons are serious and valid. That’s why I provided links, so as not to be unsubstantiated.

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This whole subject is such a chestnut here. No messaging option is perfect, you will need to compromise. If a perfect option existed you would have heard of it already. And if you haven’t heard of it, then by definition it must be small with few users and even fewer maintainers to keep an eye on its codebase and security, which is risky in itself.

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All messengers have their flaws, I’m well aware of that. I was interested in hearing users’ opinions regarding these shortcomings, not in finding the perfect messenger. I may have worded my thoughts incorrectly though, sorry for that.

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From what I’ve seen there’s a lot of very bad security advice out there with even tech journalists and such just straight up repeating stuff they don’t understand

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