Every liberal does it too, from center right radlibs to far-right “conservatives”: the most extreme right fringe liberals hate the mainstream liberals for not being bigoted enough, the mainstream libs hate the radlibs for not being cruel enough, and the radlibs hate the left for not being chauvinist enough.
Denouncing chauvinism in particular is like a liberal moral event horizon, a cardinal sin against their self-interested belief in the righteousness of the imperial hegemon that keeps the treats flowing at gunpoint.
Liberals put a very high value on awareness of problems yet distrust people that want to do something about them.
As the official pod puts it, liberals live in a world full of victims but no victimizers
Some warlord in Africa named Kony and there was this huge viral campaign to like, make people aware that he existed? I think he was already out of power by the time it got going or something. Really weird
Dw this is the struggle session of the month, something new will happen next month
i think we can probably make the switch to arguing about if parades are gentrification
September is coming up soon. We could argue about the merits of pumpkin spice culture.
liberals despise anyone and everyone with better politics than themselves.
That blows up on Hexbear whenever someone gets mad at vegans for talking about the actual cost and harm done by the meat industry.
People were mad at the vegan comm because they were aggressive and confrontational dicks to everyone on the site while using the patina of veganism as an excuse.
Its why most of those very same vegans are all mostly banned off the website for their behaviors.
Its one thing to advocate for veganism, its another thing to for example call someone a “r*pe enjoyer” to a sexual assault victim for drinking milk in a thread completely unrelated to veganism.
Its one thing to advocate for veganism, its another thing to for example call someone a “r*pe enjoyer” to a sexual assault victim for drinking milk in a thread completely unrelated to veganism.
Hexbear, pondering how it is perceived on other instances:
Its one thing to advocate for veganism, its another thing to for example call someone a “r*pe enjoyer” to a sexual assault victim for drinking milk in a thread completely unrelated to veganism.
I may have missed the worst of that; I wouldn’t have said that myself.
I had not seen any recent examples of that, but the "vegan spoke up, how uncivil" thing percolates from time to time without anything near the insult you mentioned.
It was pretty much the only other experience with meeting other vegans on this site tbh, I was legit excited about more vegans being on the site…up until they started posting lol.
Some hilariously unhinged statements did come from them like:
Hunger isn’t a real thing. It doesn’t exist. If you make conscious decisions about what to eat based on an informed view of nutrition, you will still feel hungry. It’s not some magic signal telling you that you’re not getting enough nutrients, it’s a dumb feeling that exists in your head. You ignore it, and it goes away. The feeling of hunger cannot harm you.
and
Delusions may or may not go away if you ignore them, I have no idea, I’m not knowledgeable on that topic. What I can tell you for sure is that hunger does go away when you ignore it.
None of the problems I’ve seen with vegans has been about the harm of the industry. We’re all aware of exploitation. The issue arises around some posters making it a very personal, individual attack on others rather that seeing that diet is also a place where capitalism has wielded its force. Calling someone that is on your side politically on many of the issues of the day a blood mouth doesn’t win allies
None of the problems I’ve seen with vegans has been about the harm of the industry.
I’m not so sure when all of the concern against caring too much gets brought up anyway.
Calling someone that is on your side politically on many of the issues of the day a blood mouth doesn’t win allies
Neither does smug “dae le vegans annoying scolds” statements against vegans that generally aren’t even wrong about their takes at a material level.
I’m just saying, you can be right about something but do it in a way where you alienate everyone.
Yeah it’s a bad argument here when applied to libs and it’s a bad argument then as well. This notion that they’re mad at us because secretly know we’re right is pure self-aggrandizing puffery.
ya, it seems much more likely that federated “libs” despise OP/us because OP is/ we are incredibly rude to them, and in OP’s case, have a really uncharitable psychological theory about how they are secretly mad at us, rather than just concluding that such libs simply have different (and wrong) appraisals of facts and values.
I’ve always thought that the dirtbag left should be incredibly tactical about it’s dirtbagness. The fact that we didn’t entirely remove incivility from our toolbox was fantastic and certainly set us apart and up for a rollicking good time, but it did become a bit one note.
Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk rip www.reddit.com/r/TweeLeft
yeah… I was a liberal once, and it was definitely informed in large part by wanting to be “good” and correct. I became kind of a debatelord for a minute there. But, what I didn’t do, was shit my pants and demand the mods ban them when it became clear I was on the wrong side of something, I lived and learned and moved on (generally leftward). You gotta be able to take the L sometimes.
Or even an embarassed angry loss, as long as you have the self restraint to shut up about it when you’re too upset to engage critically and not just react. I’ve had plenty of those, some on this very website. Once I caught a ban from a comm, and you know what? I was pissed about it, but I just made a new account and moved on. And looking back I think they were mostly right. The key is to not shut your brain off at the first sign of conflict.
this ain’t it fam. it’s the same smug armchair psychology we dunk on redditors for doing.
I don’t know. Look at how much Democrats define themselves by being not Republicans. Hell, essentially ran on “nothing will fundamentally change [compared to the Obama years].” He was the generic “not Republican” candidate!
On the interpersonal level, it’s pretty common to excuse one’s own shortcomings with “at least I’m not like that fucking guy,” especially if that fucking guy is the only other point of comparison. Imagine you aren’t a very good worker but always skate by because the only other employee is even worse. What are your thoughts going to be on a new worker who comes in and does the job even decently?