On the ballot in 19 states totalling 220 electoral college votes.
Who wants to tell them you need 270 to win?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_access_in_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election
In case others need to hear this, please don’t vote third party. Even to start a revolution or whatever. It’s an incredibly privileged position to be able to endanger LGBTQ, immigrants, and women’s rights because you want to send a message. Vote Dem and back ranked choice or you may get the revolution the other way.
Most of the people voting for alternative parties are themselves LGBTQ, immigrants, and women.
Don’t vote for genociders. It is an incredibly privileged position to vote for someone genociding an entire people as if it is just a normal election year.
And don’t kid yourself on what Dems will do. They don’t actually fight for any of that particularly hard because they know you will vote for them anyways, even I’d they commit genocide. In fact, the thing to do if you care about others’ welfare is to demonstrate that you are not an automatic lever pull, that you require real concessions. Otherwise you are just a cheerleader for their entire program indefinitely, and that includes genocide.
I just don’t understand why we can’t start the exact same revolution these people want during the primaries. It would make much more sense to win over/capture the party and then push that platform in the general. You get real power to get actual shit done without risking fascism by letting the GOP win due to the spoiler effect.
If someone can make the “revolution is necessary” argument, that should be a perfectly acceptable plan. I think they just want complete collapse so they can try and rebuild, which is complete psychopathic nonsense.
I just don’t understand why we can’t start the exact same revolution these people want during the primaries.
Are you suggesting a revolution is done within the bounds of the electoral system?
It would make much more sense to win over/capture the party and then push that platform in the general
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You can’t “capture” or “win over” parties like that, the electoral system is a filter.
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You can’t change a party’s platform in the general with some grand prayer or anything, they will do what they need to to satisfy their donors.
You get real power to get actual shit done
No, you don’t.
If someone can make the “revolution is necessary” argument, that should be a perfectly acceptable plan. I think they just want complete collapse so they can try and rebuild, which is complete psychopathic nonsense.
You’re right, that is nonsense, please read leftist theory and talk to actual leftists. Nobody wants to rebuild from collapse.
I just don’t understand why we can’t start the exact same revolution these people want during the primaries.
Revolution does not follow the electoral cycle. PSL is constantly doing work. This is just a vehicle for reaching those who do not understand politics beyond electoralism and to raise the correct position that both capitalist parties create and maintain our oppression.
There is not going to be a revolutionary movement that begins work during a primary and then has completed the revolution at its end. Revolutionary work requires building organizations over years and decades.
It would make much more sense to win over/capture the party and then push that platform in the general.
The party will never allow that lmao. Every attempt to work within the most viable party for this, the Democrats, has resulted in them changing their own rules. Just see how it worked out for the members of the DSA who took over in Nevada.
You get real power to get actual shit done without risking fascism by letting the GOP win due to the spoiler effect.
Biden and Harris are just as fascistic as Trump. They are nationalists committing genocide scapegoating immigrants and people overseas and pumping huge sums of money into cops’ funds in response to uprisings over racial policing and racial oppression. They are just polite about it and use the right euphemisms.
Their policies are, in fact, the main driver of an ascendant right. Their policies degrade conditions and the response to them and fail to address the scapegoating that marginalization provides.
If someone can make the “revolution is necessary” argument, that should be a perfectly acceptable plan.
Of course it is necessary. You think the capitalists will just let you vote them out of power?
I think they just want complete collapse so they can try and rebuild, which is complete psychopathic nonsense.
Please do less bullshit guessing and actually learn about this topic.
If you want to change the system and think you can do it from within, the primaries are the time. If you don’t think you can do it from within, do it from without and have your revolution on the streets—dont spoil the candidate that more closely aligns with your views.
the dems are treating immigrants just as badly and deporting even more, they did nothing to protects womens rights to abortions or to protect lgbtq people and they are actively supporting a FUCKING GENOCIDE in case u forgot. They dont deserve a single fucking vote. If they lose and i doubt they will maybe it will teach them not to be genocidal at the very least.
You seem pretty ill informed or willfully ignorant if you are saying both sides are the same. Politicians listen to the people who vote or donate to them not to the lunatic fringe. The right wing, and especially the Supreme Court have actively worked to destroy women’s rights, increase the influence of dark money, remove restrictions on executive authority, and funnel public money to religious organizations. Don’t let your anger with the pace of progress blind you to the stakes here.
It’s an incredibly privledged position to intentionally decide to sacrifice Palestinians and support a genocidal regime, one that is failing to assist the rights of queer people, women, and immigrants, and one that is failing to adequately address climate change, and is working towards World War 3.
back ranked choice
- Would not fix the problem that candidates are filtered and preselected
- Will never pass at meaningful numbers
- Neither party wants RCV
Mfw privilege means not having my homeland bombed, including medical facilities and schools: 😞
Tanked choice was passed in Maine and elsewhere. Many blue states are tying electoral votes to the nationwide popular vote to remove that stupid distribution. Primaries are open. Only one party is trying to make voting more accessible.
As for Palestine, if you don’t subscribe to the lesser of two evils then I guess there isn’t much to talk about but don’t let the Nirvana fallacy blind you too much.
Do you think they are running because they expect to win? Are you familiar at all with the Marxist view of Electoralism?
They aren’t going to end capitalism if they don’t win.
The best they can hope to do is take votes away from Harris ensuring a Trump win, which is 180° the opposite of their message.
So no, you aren’t familiar with the Marxist stance on Electoralism. For reference, they are Marxists.
No, they do not need to win the election to end Capitalism. Participation in bourgeois elections is to delegitimize the system (such as pointing out Dem/Rep collusion to kick them off the balot in Georgia), and advertise their platform.
Marxists believe revolution is necessary and electoralism is a sham.
This is just a picture.
Quick search…
Here are the main points form their program:
END CAPITALISM BEFORE IT ENDS US
- Seize the Biggest 100 Corporations, Create A New Economy for the People
- Overthrow the Dictatorship of the Rich – Build a Democracy That Serves the Working Class
- End the Rule of Money and Lock Up the Corrupt Elite
- End All U.S. Aid to Apartheid Israel. End the Genocide and Free Palestine
- Cut the Military Budget by 90% – Peace, Not War with China & Russia!
- End the War on Black America!
- Defend Women’s Rights, Full Equality for LGBTQ People
- Save the Planet from Capitalism[1]
I am loving it apart from the stance on china and russia.
For clarity, they have the consensus stance among Marxists, which is in line with the rest of their platform as Marxist-Leninists.
The is U.S. is at peace with russia and china.
Not quite. The U.S. is constantly hostile to Russia ever since it threw off the Western financial monopolists who looted the USSR’s former state assets, and the US has become increasingly hostile with China ever since it became increasingly clear that China was never going to become a free-market paradise for the West to loot like they did the Russian Federation, to the point of preparing for war with the PRC by 2027.
In the meanwhile the two countries eye their neighbours in order to seize up as much land as they can
That’s certainly the western view the media would have you believe, though it’s worth noting that China especially has been incredibly peaceful since its founding, while the US has been at near constant war. It’s largely projection and manufacturing consent for said war with China.
Russia already started seizing land of a sovereign nation. Or do these people believe that russia is “anti-capitalist”?
Russia is 100% a right-wing Capitalist nightmare, but in throwing off predatory Western Finance it is more nationalist, and stands against Imperialism as Marxists understand it (specifically a form of international monopolist Capitalism based on extraction).
Do not get me wrong, i am also in favor of cutting military budget but this is something that needs to happen globally or will simply mean that some countries are free to bully others (which, fair enough, the U.S. tended to do a lot).
The US is the number 1 bully because it is the largest Imperialist power in the world, hence the current genocide in Palestine through its vassel Israel.
Where’s the article?
