Even though we had a little bit of warning about federation, I think we’re off to a rocky start. Maybe we should have compiled a list of things we think that may make other people very upset. That way they can quickly get to know what we’re about and go hide in a social media bubble if it scares them.

I figure I’d start with a good one. America deserved 9/11. I’m burying the lede a bit with that one. I don’t think random acts of violence really accomplish much and I don’t think randos, albeit imperial core randos, should die. But this wasn’t a random act of violence, was it?

There’s a little something called Foucault’s Boomerang. Basically it’s the tools, means, and experiments carried out by imperial countries tend to make their way back home one way or another. Military gear gets tried out on the battlefield then next thing you know cops at home have the same equipment. It also works for cause and effect. America did 9/11 to itself.

After WWII America courted the monarchy of Saudi Arabia, who had some really “interesting” religious ideas at the time, to ensure a source of oil. Oil was very important to American manufacturing and the war effort. Our domestic reserves helped us get through WWII. We needed more. So the US decided to look the other way on Saudi foreign policy while they ensured us first dibs on the oil. The UK also made deals on building their infrastructure and finance needs, to which the US eventually pushed them of the back rooms where such deals were made. But that’s another story.

The US also backed anti-Soviet/anti-Communist groups in the Middle-East as they had in other parts of the world. This meant giving aide and weapons and training to those groups. In exchange they would beat up all the communists and pro-soviet people in their country and keep the borders open for US trade.

Not to “yadda yadda yadda” through a lot of interesting history but the US made a lot of enemies and ruined former alliances in these places because we valued the exploitation of their resources more than the actual relationships formed. Once the Soviets were gone, we could just do what we wanted to them and there was nobody left to oppose us.

So our former (and some current) friends stabbed us in the back. The imperialism boomeranged back home and we got a terrorist attack on US soil.

The people who died didn’t particularly deserve it but people die when an imperial power does imperialism. That’s part of why it’s bad. Imperialism will never benefit the common person, it will only hurt us in the end. You best believe all this funding, weapons, and shit going into Ukraine will come back on us too.

What are some other real-ass takes for our visitors who need disillusioning?

The United States is the single greatest threat to LGBT+ people in the world. Not only are many parts of the country actively trying to deny trans people life saving medicine, they are helping to fund draconian anti-LGBT+ laws in various African and South American countries. They also helped and are probably still helping Saudi Arabia displace the indigenous Islamic traditions in favor of their more inhumane version, leading to queer people in Islamic countries to be even more at risk.

On top of that, because the US kills so many people, both directly through military action, and through sanctions, that statistically more LGBT+ people are killed yearly by America than all of the countries with the death penalty for homosexuality combined.

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We probably need big effortpost stickied somewhere, one about the Ukraine war and one about China. Like I know the news mega crew wrote some stuff pre-federation but it’s buried at the bottom of an announcement post somewhere

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That’s way too many words.

9/11 was used as a justification for wars that killed hundreds of thousands of people. We’ve had days where more people were dying every day from covid than from 9/11. The US armed and supported Al Qaida, Rambo II said “This film is dedicated to the brave mujaheddin of Afghanistan.”

We, like a lot of people, got sick and tired of it being blown out of proportion so we joke about it.

Like how did you stretch it out that far, adding that much text just makes it weird.

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Rambo II said “This film is dedicated to the brave mujaheddin of Afghanistan.”

Uhhhh ackshually miss that was Rambo III

🤓

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I like saying usa killed millions in the iraq/afghanistan wars so people will look it up and see it’s ONLY 300k+

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I’m pretty sure that’s only the direct casualties. when you factor in the people who died due to the predictable consequences of war but who weren’t killed directly by soldiers, the number goes up into the millions.

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adding that much text just makes it weird.

it’s a hell of a lot shorter than listening to Blowback Season 1. but I still liked that too. There’s more to it than “blown out of proportion”

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Yeah but that’s all you really need. Like I’ve been making 9/11 jokes as far back as I can remember just based on what I said.

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but it’s not a joke… 9/11 jokes are fine but really not the point

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Cats belong indoors, they live longer and are generally more healthy. They murder less birds that way.

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but what about the murder treats

eat your beans

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Also, leave river rocks alone

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Also, leave river rocks alone

That was one of the most insane threads I’ve read on here

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Seemed like most of the arguing was because that seems to be a uniquely American phenomenon. Anyone outside 'merica has never seen or heard of such a thing happening.

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what thread?

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Indeed, “Leave only footprints” isn’t just a cute catchphrase to put on a sign.

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Oof, imagine not simply levitating.

when are we having the “stewardship of the environment requires us to not leave footprints” struggle session?

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The planet is being deliberately destroyed for the benefit of a small number of people. They know they are doing it, and they don’t care. It is not an accidental consequence of a system that is slightly broken: it is the deliberate consequence of a system working as designed.

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I can’t stand it when people (mostly liberals) talk about how climate change is self-destructive, they constantly talk about how it’s humanity just irrationally destroying itself

It’s a genocide! We aren’t fucking up the whole earth, we’re fucking up 95% of it! And they can buy the good parts.

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