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“Threatens medics”

This is also known as a “war crime”

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I know it’s an old joke but they really are considering it more of a Geneva Checklist, it seems.

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The Geneva Suggestion

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That really depends on whose ambulance it is and how, exactly, it’s being used. If it’s specifically assigned to the military for casualty transport then it’s a target. But if it’s a civil service that’s just the closest response after a bombing then congratulations, you’ve committed a war crime by attacking it.

Which is why other militaries go out of their way to make sure they aren’t targeting civil health infrastructure. Versus Israel who seems to be treating it like a target list. Again.

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The Israeli military also claimed on Saturday, **without providing any evidence, **

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It’s still about the statement.

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During the 2006 war there were documented cases of Hezbollah abusing ambulances for military transport.

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If it’s dead and in Vietnam it’s Vietcong, amirite?

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Got evidence that this actually happened?

And to be clear, you don’t mean that they were transporting them away. To a hospital.

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What the IDF actually said:

In a post on X, the IDF’s Arabic spokesperson threatened that it would target “any vehicle carrying armed men, regardless of its type.”

Using ambulances to transport active combatants is a war crime and the vehicle loses its protection.

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The IDF literally masqueraded as medical personnel and assaulted a hospital while still in medical garb. Just saying…

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That was a special police operation, IIRC, where IHL doesn’t apply.

Using military personnel in a military occupied country, is a “special police operation”, huh?. It sounds like just redefining things now. Like the special military operation of Putin which is totally not an invasion of a sovereign nation.

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So the Lebanese police too?

Just declaring anyone with a rifle as part of the enemy is a wild way to get yourself in front of the Hague.

But also no. It depends on what the ambulance is doing. Going to the hospital? That’s a war crime. Moving armed soldiers to the Frontline, that’s a target.

It’s not nearly as simple as gun=target. This is the military, not the American police.

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I don’t think Lebanese police is a combatant in the current war. If police participated in combat operations, they would be combatants.

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So, if you’re a police officer and a foreign nation is invading, you should just stand around looking really disappointed?

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So it’s also a war crime when Israel treat IDF soldiers with your logic

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Treating wounded is never a war crime.

If a combatant is hors de combat, no longer able to fight, then they are no longer a valid military objective.

If the IDF shuttles soldiers ready to fight to the front using an ambulance, it’s a war crime. Shuttling injured soldiers from the front to the back is not a war crime.

Hezbollah and also Palestinian militant groups have been observed to use ambulances to do the former.

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It’s just an IDF accusations. No independent investigation confirmed it

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Based on what evidence?

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An injured fighter is no longer a combatant and entitled to medical treatment like any other human being.

But by blowing up the ambulance so that only body parts can be found after, it can always be claimed that the patients were still healthy before being bombed.

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Specific ambulances are only attacked if there’s intelligence like surveillance that says it’s being used to transport combatants or weapons. If all ambulances were systematically targeted, all ambulances would camouflage as civilian vehicles.

You are correct that persons hors de combat are protected.

Evidence in war zones is always difficult, especially when combatants don’t wear uniforms. You can easily make a combatant look like a civilian, by removing the weapons from the scene. Making civilians look like combatants just takes putting a weapon next to their body. Independent neutral investigators will rarely arrive at a scene before one of the belligerent forces.

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Specific ambulances are only attacked if there’s intelligence like surveillance that says it’s being used to transport combatants or weapons

Yeah? You actually believe this?

As the person above you said, there is no way to confirm any of it because they blew it the fuck up. For all we know, it was transporting injured fighters out of the warzone. Blowing that up (and then later lying about it) is something the IDF 1000% would do without thinking twice. It’s their M.O.

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Classic Guardian.

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The Guardian are pretty much the voice of New Labour, who are totally in bed with Israel (they’re still sending them weapons and even sent surveillance planes to help them in Gaza).

If The Guardian is actually critical of Israel and the IDF that’s a pretty good indication that the Zionist Genocide has already burned most of their good will even in Britain which is one of the most right wing states in Europe and has a history of invariably either being one or supporting White Colonist States in their Genocides of the locals (remember how they supported Appartheid until the last minute and even called Mandela “a terrorist”?!).

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Ah yeah I guess let’s dig out a Fox News article instead to find out the truth?

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