Last night, at approximately 2AM ET, a former employee, Madison Reeve, posted a thread on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, accusing Linus Media Group of cultivating a toxic work environment and encouraging a work culture that was detrimental to her health as well as sexual harassment directed at her by Linus Media Group employees.
“I chose to quit my role at LTT because it, and the working environment I was facing, were ruining my mental health,” her statement begins. “My work was called ‘dogshit’ I was called ‘incompetent’. When I would reach out to managers and try to get help with these situations, I would be told to ‘put on my big girl pants’ and be ‘more assertive’.”
Reeve went on to accuse the company of barring her from videos after she reported being “grabbed multiple times in the office” and being told to “calm my tits” and “stop being such a bitch.”
Madisons’ thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741.html
(Content warning: self harm)
If you read that full thread it sounds like someone who was let go from a place I worked years ago and just rings of serious mental health concerns. Slicing open your leg so you go to the ER to avoid going to work is not a sign that someone is of sound mind. All accusations need to be taken seriously and explored regardless given their severity, but I also seriously hope she can get help.
Doubt you’d be saying this if you had ever personally been subjected to workplace harassment of the same endurance and severity.
You’re mixing up chicken and egg here. Victim blaming is a core component of the fucking nightmare of workplace harassment.
Good for you to delete that trashy comment on kbin here. For the record this user, https://kbin.social/u/EnderWi99in , went straight for victim blaming. Users like this run kbin.social at risk of being defederated from the rest of lemmy, your behavior is not tolerated.
I agree, thank you for putting into words what most people keep silent
I appreciate their narrative, and I’m glad they’ve detailed everything as experienced. But given the totality of their recollection, and the reactions, and the responses, they’re clearly somebody who takes too extremes.
A full investigation must be done, and the report probably won’t be fully published but whatever is available should be published.
In these public discourses, where one side legally cannot respond at all, we will get a skewed view of things. So we have to take those secondary indicators into account when interpreting. What was the intent behind the messaging, what was the effect of the messaging, what was the timing of the messaging, what are the incentives of the parties at play.
Bad things happen to good people. Bad things can happen to dramatic people. Bad things can happen to good dramatic people.
Honestly, I don’t care if people love or hate LTT. It’s just a tech entertainment channel. I would love more people to have the critical thinking tools available to them, to interpret future events, more reasonably, without leaping to conclusions
To be honest, I had a similar experience in a workplace, and I definitely did not have the guts to post it before reading your comment.
It is important to take all accusations seriously, but it is also important to verify.
I have seen baseless accusations getting reported and shared on my previous workplace. It was made to sound like a living hell, and frankly you would have needed to be on a psychotic break to experience it like this. This same employee had pledged on their first day of work to print a chart of conduct and equality that would bind us all. It was very weird to be honest. Unfortunately some people saw the articles and believed every words and felt “betrayed” by my old bosses.
Anyway, here’s a disclaimer because everytime I post an anecdote encouraging to be diligent I get replies telling me I am assuming this or that. Let me be clear, I believe Madisson and I would be very surprised if she wasn’t abused considering everything. But still, I like to verify, we must always verify. In this case, it means waiting for further development. You can encourage and support the supposed victim while simultaneously not jump to the throat of the accused.
I don’t think this take is accurate at all. Her actions in that thread appear (to me) entirely as a result of her environment, and honestly there is no basis for the idea she is not of sound mind. The victim blaming is really offputting.
If they’re true, it’s more than likely this kind of abuse was happening throughout the organization and continued up until these allegations, so I’m glad she came out with them.
Taking concern for someone’s well being when it is quite clearly not in a good place has very little to do with the accusations being levied. I hope the right people are at least aware of that and are reaching out to her. I said in my reply the accusations need to be explored.
“My work was called ‘dogshit’ I was called ‘incompetent’.” Is this really news? While hurtful and not cool to tell somebody. Im sure a million a people think similar things about a co-worker everyday. This is classic toxic environment and time to leave. If there’s issues like sexual harassment, she needs to get a lawyer. Makes me wonder if there’s going to be a " You probably heard some rumors…" On LTT
This is a naive world view. Working in a toxic environment is such a drain on you already. And then if you are in a field that is hard to break in to, you worry causing any issues will get you blackballed. And you often blame yourself and truly start to believe it is you who is doing bad. And getting a lawyer and suing is usually a fucking stressful nightmare. I have these huge boxes full of paperwork that I’ve filled out over the past few years and have to keep. I will randomly need some of them. And I’ll randomly be notified to do even more shit. And it drags on for years. And my stuff is small fry compared to going up against massive company. Fucking paperwork gives me anxiety at this point.
Then you have to think about the rabid fan base that will be sending her death threats. Doxing her. Etc. All because they decided Linus is too cool he has all the computer shit.
It’s easy to belittle their suffering like this, saying they should have left earlier. But there is always a back story to how people getting bullied end up getting victimized longer than they should. If you gave Madison’s story more than a cursory look, you would realize that all the classic elements of abusive entrapment were there.
When she accepted the job at LMG, she had jeopardized her visa status in the US and was more or less starting from scratch in a very expensive city in Canada. You would expect the employer to be considerate and supportive of such employees. But LMG insisted that she cancel her patreon account and on representing her (which she says they didn’t do at all). They insisted on taking a cut from her earnings too.
And like many other sexual harassment victims, she wasn’t in a position to walk away like you say. LMG apparently gaslighted her and made vague threats. They certainly had the power to ruin her life with their somewhat mindless fanbase - and she was right to fear it. Leaving the company without another job would have probably ended her up in the streets - forget lawyering up. I honestly don’t think employees in her situation can afford to hire lawyers.
I don’t want to completely believe her words because it’s still hearsay. That said, the evidence in the public is pointing more to the possibility that she may be telling the truth. But it doesn’t help when people just dismiss her saying that she should have stood up for herself. You simply don’t understand the position a victim of a vitriolic workplace finds themselves in.
I don’t want to completely believe her words because it’s still hearsay. That said, the evidence in the public is pointing more to the possibility that she may be telling the truth
I was gonna say I would take what she says with a pinch of salt since she comes across as a drama queen (I literally do not/did not know her outside of the LTT videos), but then an ex-LTT staff member (Colin?) backed her up. It’s now not just an ex employee with an axe to grind.
When I read her thread, the first thing that came to mind was that in addition to whatever labor rights claims she could have, there’s a clear potential claim of promissory estoppel with regard to her move back to Canada and some of the statements made about how LMG would support her independent efforts.
It doesn’t look good for LMG, even with the bare minimum information out there. But honestly, Madison should be more worried than LMG. A sub group of their fan base doesn’t seem too bothered by morality or legality - no matter what stance LMG itself takes. There are stories floating around that they bullied a 10 year old youtuber into suicide and his mother followed suit because she couldn’t take the agony. They say that Linus tried to discourage them, but they did it anyway. I don’t know how true this is. But if it is true, Madison is in for a ride. The only advantage now is that there will be some around to fight back from her side. I’m not surprised that she was hesitant to speak up earlier.
While hurtful and not cool to tell somebody. Im sure a million a people think similar things about a co-worker everyday.
Thinking it and saying it are two separate things. One is just the day to day frustrations of working with other human beings, the other is contributing to a toxic work environment that just so happens to target a woman in a boy’s club of a company within a boy’s club of an industry.
I kindly ask you to read things fully. Even disregarding how dismissive you are for victims of a terrible workplace like this, she specifically mentions how this toxicity messed with her visa status. “Just leave bro” is almost never a worthwhile sentiment tbh
Is this really news?
A popular tech YouTube company is outed as an abusive work environment that does nothing about sexual harassment some employees face. There’s news reported about far more insignificant shit, I think we can consider this newsworthy.
They have a live stream of clips from older videos on their channel right now. Just another damage control measure.
This whole thing was new to me. But it is sort of notable that a big company did/tolerated these things. Even if it’s some dumb new media YouTube shit.
I feel like there have been tons of even larger big companies being exposed for tolerating this kind of shit, hell Blizzard not too long ago. Not that it is bad that they are getting exposed, I had heard of this channel and it always seemed like lowest common denominator trash to me but just with a tech “theme” so I had ignored it.
I was only vaguely aware of this guy. When he released his ratcheting driver gadget a while back, it popped up on a YT review channel that I do watch. Out of curiosity I looked into it.
This Linus guy immediately struck me as a weasel and a d-bag. I don’t have any super powers of observation. People should trust their instincts better. Human instincts are bad compared to animals, but one thing we’re all pretty naturally good at is detecting scumbags. Listen to your instincts, folks. His “charm” is as real as CheezWhiz.
You should see the WAN Show, their podcast. His co-host always looks nervous to say anything out of turn, they basically just read the next topic that Linus wants to talk about.
Or the time where Linus almost took Jake’s fingers out with a hole saw trying to drill holes in a RUNNING PC. Man’s a workplace hazard in more ways than one.
Trust me, you weren’t missing much.
As someone who watches the WAN show semi-regularly, I do not get the same vibe from their relationship as you do
I wasn’t just talking about Luke, sometimes other folks stand in. Though yes Luke is most often the co-host, the show is structured such that Linus does a vast majority of the talking regardless of who else is there. Even Dan in the audio booth just curates and reads questions from chat.
I am a semi-frequent WAN show watcher and I definitely get that vibe. Some people will say that Luke stands up to Linus, but from what I’ve seen it’s only superficial. I have never seen him push Linus enough that it becomes a real disagreement–not on an actual controversy like this, at least. The WAN show where they discussed the Billet Labs review is a perfect example: Luke says “well, maybe we should have re-tested” but then Linus goes off on his “$500 of employee time” tangent and Luke doesn’t call that out as completely ridiculous and hypocritical.
He does voice his disagreement, but not in a way that is going to change anything.
I firmly disagree with this post. People should not just “rely on their instincts,” which have proven time and again to be highly inaccurate and subject to bias. This is starting to look like what those “body language experts” do, and those people have lower accuracy than a coin toss in controlled experiments.
The only reliable way to tell if someone is lying is through actual evidence. What we know so far certainly paints LMG in a bad light, but I will continue to wait for more information to come out.
Evidence is better than instinct, no argument there. But you don’t always have access to evidence, and ignoring your instincts to jump on a fan bandwagon is ill advised.
I agree, I always feel like the “I always knew X was a bad person” discourse that always pops up in the wake of this stuff indicates that like. Somehow you had more knowledge than anyone else about this. It’s basically just fueling your own ego as a result of a situation like this. You don’t know these people, what makes people feel like a gut instinct suffices as sufficiently damning evidence? Like, it’s fine to not like someone and abstain from engaging with them accordingly. That’s okay. But going “I always knew that he was bad” does no good.
Obviously listen to Madison, trust victims and support them (do note that this doesn’t mean not to listen to further developments and adjust your moral judgment accordingly, come what may) but that doesn’t mean to indulge yourself and over-justify your ability to judge someone you’ve never had an interaction with based on vibes alone, that’s a pretty unhealthy pattern to fall into in my opinion that has negative effects long term that don’t benefit anybody.
As I said, I have no super powers of observation and that everyone is born with good instincts on this. It’s taught in classes on protecting yourself from predators: believe your instincts.
I counter your argument with this: some people get heavily invested in internet celebs and in order to protect their own egos will gaslight themselves in to believing “nah, he’s a good guy”.
It’s basically just fueling your own ego as a result of a situation like this.
Every pitchfork mob situation is about ego stroking ultimately. It’'s outgrouping, them vs us. And people with prejudices find it just so perfect to spew their bullshit and get some validation. It’s why racists love yellow media.
I don’t know the truth in this situation and for all I know this guy (and his entire crew for that matter) could be horrible people. But to base that off of prejudice is childish, and I’m sad that it’s infecting beehaw.
It is clear that you formed an initial negative impression of this individual based on your perception of their character. However, it is important to note that relying solely on instincts and subjective judgments may not provide an accurate assessment of someone’s true character. To assess a person objectively, it would be preferable to observe their actions and gather sufficient evidence before drawing any conclusions. Engaging in a fair and logical evaluation can lead to a more balanced understanding of an individual’s nature.
I strongly disagree with him, which suggests that either his intuition is mistaken or mine is. It’s also possible that we are both wrong, relying too heavily on emotions and assuming they are trustworthy, without fully comprehending the situation. This has led me to wonder how a Vulcan, and their logical reasoning, would approach this situation. Now if this comment sounds like an AI generated text, it is probably because it’s meant to mimic the logical thinking of a Vulcan. And also, that is the case, as it is AI generated. Good catch, though.
