“This was not reckless driving. This was murder,” the judge said before she read out Mackenzie Shirilla’s verdict Monday afternoon.

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I wonder of she cried this much too for the two kids she killed. I think she needs a psychiatric institution instead of jail

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If she insane she should and would have. She wasn’t so reality just hit her.

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Just read up on her case. She deserves it. Fucking loon. Just die. Bye

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She should be in a psychiatric facility. She attempted suicide and murdered two people in the process.

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Anyone with a legal background able to help me understand how two deaths resulted in 4 murder convictions and 2 vehicular homicide convictions?

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I can say she was convicted of two counts of both R.C. 2903.02(A) & (B)—basically “normal” murder and felony murder. Clearly they thought she did it on purpose and because she was committing another felony. I can’t say why those don’t merge together under Ohio law or if they are supposed to. Ohio is a fairly statutory state, so maybe they overwrite that common law rule?

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Okay, felony murder makes sense as the other charges would be felonies. I don’t care much for felony murder laws because I feel like they deincentivize careful action in law enforcement, but I definitely understand where if that law is in place she caught murder for the actual murder then felony murder subsequent to the assaults.

Still feels weird that two dead people produced 6 homicide convictions though. Like, you killed them, that’s 2 crimes. You killed them with a car, that’s two more crimes. In the process of killing them with a car, which is a felony, you killed them. That’s two more crimes.

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Not a lawyer but I believe the charges can be sub cats of murder and homicide.

I would have to double check.

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Let’s see what kind of slap-on-the-wrist punishment she’s going to get on Monday.

100% guaranteed that if the roles were reversed and an 18 year old boyfriend did this and ended up killing his girlfriend and friend, they would throw the book at him. Our society puts pussy on a pedestal and as such I expect her to get the lightest punishment possible.

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Guys, she’s 18. Her brain isn’t even fully developed yet. She’s not even capable of fully rationalizing the consequences of her actions yet. I know she did something awful but I don’t think there are any winners here.

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According to Western societies, 18 is when the “fully developed” switch flips from OFF to ON, not a minute earlier or a minute later.

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You don’t need a fully developed brain to understand that intentionally driving into a brick wall at 100 mph will have severe consequences.

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I’m sure she did understand, she probably didn’t think she’d survive, though, so any consequences of that possibility probably didn’t occur to her at all.

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Not being fully developed ≠ nonexistent

We shouldn’t remove all consequences for your actions until you turn 25. Young people are a little dumber, but they’re not infants. They should still be able to think for themselves.

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How much of that do you need to assess whether driving into a brick wall at 100 mph is a bad idea. How did this person even stay alive until 18?

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