“This was not reckless driving. This was murder,” the judge said before she read out Mackenzie Shirilla’s verdict Monday afternoon.

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What a weird ass comment.

Shes 19.

All people around this age think they’re invincible.

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Yeah. This is not the basis of my conclusion, but merely another in a centuries long line of examples.

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Don’t feed the trolls, peeps.

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Not all of them.

But regardless, don’t feed the trolls.

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Good troll. Go back to reddit, please.

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Why is this a troll?

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I’m pretty sure reckless driving and whiteness are completely unrelated.

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Did they edit their comment?

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I think it got deleted.

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Lol what. Honestly the depths of y’all’s stupidity still baffles me sometimes.

Did she crash because she’s a woman, too? Which was it, her whiteness or her womanhood that actually caused the accident? lol idiot

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Fucking hell that is horrible. And of course she’s the only one to survive. 100mph into a brick building has probably left her pretty physically fucked up and in constant pain. Hope she enjoys feeling that way in prison for the rest of her life.

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She’ll spend 8 months in prison and appeal for a reduced sentence and get out on “good behavior” before she’s even served a quarter of her term. Don’t you know how the American legal system works?

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Murder is a felony, so I believe you have to serve 80% of a sentence before being able to be eligible for parole

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You forgot the white woman modifier, you take a man’s sentence and divide by 4.

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The bullshit sentences are the ones we mainly hear about, and many people have a bit of a confirmation bias because of it. But, you don’t have to look further than your own community to see that slaps on the wrist are not typical.

US citizens are the most incarcerated people on Earth, buy an uncomfortable margin.

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Murder with a car is often toned down to, “vehicular manslaughter”. It’s often times charged as a misdemeanor. I agree with you that it should always be a felony because it’s murder, but that’s not how the courts treat it.

Here’s an example of a New Jersey man who murdered someone with their car and did not face any jail time at all.

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The reason why they say this was murder:

Two weeks before the crash, she allegedly threatened to crash her vehicle when she was driving with Russo because she was upset over a disagreement they had. Russo called his mother and asked to be picked up, and a friend ended up retrieving him. In a phone call with Russo, the friend allegedly overheard Shirilla say, “I will crash this car right now,” prosecutors said in court documents.

This isn’t a drunk driver, or a thrillseeker, this is someone with murderous intent.

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Sounds more like a suicide/self harm thing to me.

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When you include an unconsenting person in the attempt, it is also murder.

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Not a lawyer, but even if they consent isn’t it murder?

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This is why suicidal people are dangerous, it’s a relatively small change from killing yourself, to killing others.

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@ryathal @agressivelyPassive

Have suicidal ideation is in no way, shape or form the same as being the perpetrator of a murder-suicide. Neither is being suicidal a lead-in to becoming a murderer.

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No there may be a small chance of collateral damage, such as this case. But suicidal thinking does not make you think of killing others. You’re clearly lucky enough to have never had suicidal ideation, but it never comes near the kind of thoughts that want to kill others

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This is why pastry chefs are dangerous, it’s a relatively small change from baking your bread, to baking others.

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What a ridiculous take.

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If you feel that way, you might be the dangerous one

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I have a relative who was recently given a DUI.

They went to the store, sober, and bought a handle of vodka (1.75 liters) consumed the vast majority, and drove around.

He wanted to die in a head on collision. Selfish fuck.

I don’t have a problem with people having the freedom to decide enough is enough, but don’t harm others in the process, at least more so than the death would cause. Especially innocent unrelated people.

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Now this is just plain stupidity

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A woman kills family then kills self. Is it murder!!! Oh. No, just self-harm.

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That’s not exactly what has happened here and derailing it using emotional hyperbole won’t help either.

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If you attempt to kill yourself and take other people with you, it’s commonly called murder/suicide. Killing people with intent is usually murder.

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It sounds much more like an abusive relationship. She was trying to punish him, regardless of the risk to herself.

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…no, no, no… only WOMEN can be in abusive relationships.

At least that is the utter bullshit you would believe if you listened to the feminist/white knight rhetoric out there.

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If you’re trying to kill others along with you, it’s not just suicide, it’s also murder.

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Considering she was unconscious as well, sounds like it was a murder/suicide attempt.

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I recently read that a 70mph accident is considered “unsurvivable.” Regrettably I don’t recall the source. Because people survive accidents that happen on 70mph speed limit highways all the time, I assume two things. 1. That the accident has to happen AT 70mph. And that 2, most people are able to slow down or perhaps the vehicle hits something first, glancing blow, that sort of thing, which brings the speed down, making it more survivable. So yeah, I think that makes 100mph suicide/murder.

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In most US jurisdictions if you’re “just” trying to commit a felony, like purposely crashing your car at 100+ MPH (160+ KPH) to cause grievous bodily harm to others, and someone dies as a result that’s automatically elevated to murder.

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It’ll depend on the jurisdiction. But ‘intent’ for murder does not mean “pre-planned”. Heat of the moment intention to do serious harm is enough for a murder conviction in the UK (and, I believe, the US).

In this case, the prosecution accused her of pre-planning as well as intent, and the jury agreed with one or both arguments.

Russo, the judge, delivered a scalding description of the case before she read out the verdict, saying Shirilla had a “mission” she executed with “precision” that fateful day — and “the mission was death.”

“The [crash] video clearly shows the purpose and intent of the defendant. She chose a course of death and destruction that day,” Russo said.

“She morphs from a responsible driver to literal hell on wheels as she makes her way down the street,” Russo said, saying Shirilla made a calculated decision to drive that morning, when not many people would be around, on an obscure route she did not routinely take.

Prosecutor Michael O’Malley told NBC affiliate WKYC of Cleveland that the crash video was damning, saying, “The intent was obvious upon seeing that video that there was only one goal.”

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Murder laws can vary by country.

She murdered two people with the intent to at least cause significant harm. That’s enough on the state she was in, thank God. She deserves life in prison.

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Sounds more like a mental health issue tbh…

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Contrary to popular belief, people suffering from mental health issues are more likely to be the victim than perpetrator of violent crimes, more than their healthy counterpart. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2020.563860/full

She’s just a murderer.

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I agree 100 percent this is a child with some kind of inability to understand the consequences of her actions she should be placed in a care facility until she demonstrates the ability to make proper decision making ability

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Wow the way she’s crying is disgusting, she’s just sorry for herself not for the deaths she caused. No remorse, only regret for getting sentenced

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Wow the way she’s crying is disgusting, she’s just sorry for herself not for the deaths she caused. No remorse, only regret for getting sentenced

How do you know that? I don’t know about you but I’ve done things in anger that I felt genuine remorse for later.

Never killed anyone though, I suppose.

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Because of her intent and crimes- she had genuine murderous intent as the judgement said. She seemed very cruel and unhinged according to the article and presented evidence and the video showed her crying due to the judgement.

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It’s been two years since she murdered those people. She could easily feel true remorse now.

I’m in no way trying to excuse her actions, I just think it’s worth trying to do some level of empathizing for people. Not that what she did was in any way justified, but I can’t imagine trying to live with myself if I got angry enough to murder someone.

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Those look like Rittenhouse tears to me.

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You mean legitimate tears from someone who had trauma from successfully defending himself against attackers? Did you watch any of the trial?

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It’s been two years since she made that video, regardless of whether it was made before or after the crash.

I’m not trying to say that she is remorseful, only that we cannot say that she isn’t based solely on her actions two years ago.

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If I was going to prison I would cry

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It’s something that people often forget (because they aren’t like that themselves and have normal human reactions) is that narcisists, sociopaths, psychopaths and people with similar psychological disfunctions that make them act in “cold hearted” ways do feel.

However they feel only for themselves, never for others.

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This is a bit unfair, though I didn’t watch the trial in full. We have no idea if she cried for the other lives or not.

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It’s unfair of me, but it is my perception and my opinion which is only based in observation yup.

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Remind me why we allow teenagers to drive 3-ton vehicles again?

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Freedums!

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A Camry weighs half of that, and regardless, she could have done this in any vehicle

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Remind the rest of us why anycunt needs a 3 ton personal vehicle again?

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So we have a large reoccurring expense that forces us to always have a job and stay productive in a modern society where this really isn’t necessary?

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I’ll stick with my 1.2l, 50mpg shitbox thanks

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Uh, I think society is pretty darn dependent on everyone working to sustain it.

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At risk of angering the vast majority of the fuck cars community, it’s generally because I live 30 minutes from my job by highway, and can’t afford to live within walking distance. And they won’t let us telework. I really really want to actually live close enough to bike.

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So they can be exploited for cheap labor.

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You’re not wrong. Being able to drive by 16 so that you can start working is the capitalist way.

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So they can be exploited for cheep labor.

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“Gotta get them teens to work. And no public transit options please, they make my money pile smaller.”

-CEO’s everywhere

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The same reason we all have a personal 3 ton vehicle: to ensure we remain bound to a culture of sprawling roads and fossil fuel consumption.

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She was 18. That’s an adult.

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She was 17. But I understand your point.

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Legally sure, still immature and not someone who should be piloting a heavy vehicle capable of going 100 mph.

Most people aren’t, frankly.

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You’re right and car rental companies agree with you as most of them won’t rent to anyone under 25.

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Awesome. Judge all teenagers because of a deranged one.

What’s your stance on 27 year olds with driver’s licenses?

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Yeah buddy i’m going to judge all drivers, because i kinda sorta vaguely don’t want me or others to die!

Are you against gun control too?

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I’m not, but it seems like you are, correct?

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Because the vast majority of them don’t use the 3ton vehicle to commit murder.

You do know that adults use vehicles as murder weapons also, yeah?

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I am sure they don’t.

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Waukesha Christmas parade attack and the Nice, France attack?

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Why do we allow most people to drive 3 ton vehicles

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Right? I honestly can’t wait until self driving cars take up enough of the market share that manual driving cars will be outlawed (or at least getting insurance on them will be astronomically expensive)

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Or public transit improves, actually freeing up space on the road

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Remind me why we allow banks to control our economy again?

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tbp the camry she drove was closer to 1.5 tons

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Lol which vehicles weigh 3 tons. Aside from EVs. You mean 3 tons as in 6600 lbs right?

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When I think back to how immature and reckless I was as a teenager I can’t believe I was legally allowed to drive and considered a full grown adult at the age of 18.

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How much does a razer scooter weight?

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Bcs we lack the infrastructure for them not to require a car & obviously want car companies, roadworks, and petrol industries to continue having huge profits.

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