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United States needs to stop the stupid sanctions

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This is what those sanctions are meant to cause. The idea is to force a change in regime from within. It’s ridiculous that we’re still doing it 50 years later.

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Yes, but that won’t solve the fundamental problems that led up to this.

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Yet it might have solved those problems had the sanctions been lifted 20+ years ago, allowing Cuba more access to diversifying their power grid through being able to get better deals for parts than they currently can.

The sanctions are part and parcel to why they’re struggling, and to ignore that they’ve been extremely limited in who they can trade with, and that limits their options for budgeting what they can buy because they have very few suppliers, is foolhardy.

No, we can’t fix the past, but we can recognize that it might have gone very differently had sanctions been lifted long ago.

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The fundamental problem is not “Cuba pays slightly more for its parts from China”, the fundamental problems run much deeper. Cuba spent thirty years embracing a position as a resource colony for the Soviet Union in exchange for massive subsidies on their sugar exports (the Sovs paid 5x the market price for Cuban sugar) and invested that money - nobly, but not wisely - in raising living standards instead of the creation of an economic base that wasn’t reliant on total vassalhood to a powerful state on the other side of the planet.

It emerged from the end of the Cold War with a well-educated and healthy population, but no real economic prospects with the collapse of the Soviet Union and its massive amounts of aid which subsidized the sluggish economy of the Cuban government. So what did the Cuban government do?

Nothing.

Fucking nothing.

Not wholly true, I suppose - they vacillated between encouraging private enterprise and cracking down on it, which, ironically, was more ruinous than just doing either alone. Fidel Castro himself admitted that the government policy royally fucked up in the 90s-2000s transitional period. After Fidel’s death, Raoul also admitted that the agricultural sector of the country was ultra-fucked. After Raoul’s retirement, the Cuban government has been hesitant to make fundamental changes to the government because the Castro family was what lent the government legitimacy outside of its socialist credentials - leaving them slowly taking on water and sinking in a mess several decades in the making.

As it stands now, Cuba is reliant on a meagre tobacco industry, rum, promising mineral rights to China, and remittances from the expats in the dreaded Yanqui Empire (the remittances quite literally outstripping the total value of Cuba’s exports).

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Aint this is the state goal of the santions tho

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If any other country like China or Russia blockaded a country to the point where it would cause a collapse … we’d probably start WWIII in defence.

US does it and it’s just taken as a normal part of world politics and perfectly acceptable.

What the hell did Cuba do to deserve this? They had a difference of opinion and they didn’t want to be taken advantage of … they’ve since had to be literally starved to death because of it.

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An embargo is not a blockade.

The embargo excludes food and medicine, and, in fact, Cuba has, previously, explicitly rejected unconditional offers of US aid.

Cuba’s core problems are not due to the embargo, as much as the Cuban government and the terminally online left would like to peddle that narrative.

The embargo is stupid, pointless, and immoral. But it’s not what’s causing Cuba’s current problems in any significant degree.

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The state-wide weed markets are another example of what happens when the US government decides your business shouldn’t be recognized by banks abroad.

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Call it what you want but the effect is still the same.

Yes Cuba can trade with whoever they want in the world … the US just makes it so difficult and complicated that no one wants to be bothered.

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Is that why Cuba’s biggest trade partner is that notable enemy of America, Canada?

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Errrm Russia is literally in the process of attacking a neighbouring country right now. They are tying their very best to make this country collapse with things far worse than sanctions, and no one has started WW3 yet.

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Ukraine hasn’t been crippled by Russian power for 66 years

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Ukraine hasn’t been crippled by Russian power for 66 years

Uh.

Are you sure about that.

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The Ukrainians that I’ve talked to have a very different opinion on this.

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Yeah more like 266 years.

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What the hell did Cuba do to deserve this?

The embargo? Seized a bunch of American-owned property in the revolution. The US said “you can nationalize it, but you gotta pay for it”. The Cuban government said no, and the US said “then we won’t do business with you”.

Lot of property owned by Americans out there in the world. Makes people think twice about treating it as a free cash grab bag if the last group to try it regretted it.

Also, as someone else pointed out, it’s an embargo, not a blockade, which would be forcibly preventing them from doing business with anyone else, like, parking warships offshore and not letting anything in or out. A blockade would be an act of war. Embargoes are not.

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Seized or reclaimed? The colonial gaze is strong here.

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