The difference is that China did it to their own people
The classic Nazi talking point, I love this one!
Stalin is worse than Hitler because Stalin killed his own people!
Also the PRC was founded in 1949, I really don’t understand how someone can bring up the Mongol Empire and link that to Mao Zedong.
The classic Nazi talking point, I love this one!
Umm achually they identify as a socialist, they’re just “anti-authoritarian”. You tankies wouldn’t understand
This one gets me the most.
“Tankie” literally just is a slur for socialists in modern parlance. It’s basically just like calling someone “Anarkiddie”
It means fucking nothing and is used as a lazy reason for dissmissing one’s views and goals.
“Tankie” and “authoritarianism” are two everclear signifiers that a person is talking out of their ass.
Edit: and whataboutism
Why do they think it matters who was killed? Is this some nationalism brain thing I am too anti-imperialism brained to understand?
They believe Intentional genocide is not as bad as a famine in your own country.
The inherent idea there being “Nations have an overriding moral duty to their own people, the rest are acceptable losses compared to one’s own.”
It’s nationalistic and borderline fascist trash.
the Yuan under Kubilai can be interpretted in roughly modern china’s shape, even a bit bigger, though the specific borders of china were laid out under the Qing & PRC.
the Qing scholars do like to point out that the Qing presented themselves to their varying ethnicities in different ways though, they very purposefully justified their rule in mongolia in chinggisid terms, trying to make themselves the worthy successor of mongol world empire. their campaigns against the dzunghar were about snuffing out a competing claim for the overlordship of the mongol groups on the steppe & in tibet
oh but yeah the OP was hilariously wrong, chinggis did not complete the conquest of china lol
Also the PRC was founded in 1949, I really don’t understand how someone can bring up the Mongol Empire and link that to Mao Zedong.
It’s all because we built that time machine to go forward in time to steal American 5G technology. We may have messed up a few historical details on the way back…
“People” vs “your own people”.
Oh yeah it’s that liberal thought cliche where the lives of people in other countries don’t matter.
They were driven out
They were killed. It’s crazy how genocide enjoyers will sneak in the subtlest genocide apologia every chance they get.
Erm, yikes! I’m pretty sure that’s not true. This is what we learned in history class:
That’s fake right? This isn’t really a children’s schoolbook, right?
Though as an Australian, we’re taught that our country was “uninhabited” and the Aboriginals “didn’t use most of the land and left it for the settlers.” So…yeah, we’ve probably got a couple of these books floating around here too.
“First Nations” suggests this is a Canadian text book of some kind, and given that they’re currently engaged in at least one “land dispute” that would be a war of aggression if international law was good for anything other than toilet paper, and a number of other disputes with First Nations people, I’d say this might be real.
Oh yeah, and don’t forget that Aboriginal people never had permanent settlements either!
That’s fake right? This isn’t really a children’s schoolbook, right?
Uhh pretty sure the answer to 4 is wrong, that’s supposed to be, “disease, betrayal, mass slaughter, the opposite of the rest of this sentence,” [and protection]
disease
Um, excuse me but we brought them soap doncha know?
/s (btw how hideous is the message of that advertisement??)
The people telling you communism goes against human nature also tell you it’s human nature for a nation to slaughter people for land. Just normal human nature shit.
Jesus what a fucking terrible argument. I’m sure the native americans were just happy white people weren’t killing other white people. “At least it’s intentional,” they thought as they were being driven from their land.
Every time I hear someone try to claim things are human nature (greed, cruelty, selfishness, etc) I just interpret it as a confession of that person having those traits and an attempt to project that unto the rest of society to feel better about it.
One thing I like to do to really leave the libs shooketh to deconstruct that argument of “But greed will always be a part of humanity!!” is by telling them that if we look over history, murder has always been a feature of humanity.
But do we award the murderers with the most money, political power, and prestige in society? (I know exactly where your mind goes to when I say this but stick with me for a minute and remember that this is when I’m talking on the role of Lib Whisperer.) Or as a society do we actively take steps to mitigate the murderous impulses of humanity by disincentivising it, condemning it, and punishing those who commit murder?
Why then would you do something different with a negative and destructive impulse like greed? Why would you reward it, encourage it, and give the most political power and the most prestige to the greediest people in society?
Who would want to live in that sort of world?
If they object to this notion because they are suffering from a deficit of imagination, you can point to the potlatch ceremony, in which certain societies would give the most prestige in their communities to the people who gave the most to the community in these ceremonies, where people would sometimes even effectively bankrupt themselves in the pursuit of prestige within their communities.
I usually tell a person like that they should stop making pronouncements about all of humanity because they’ve clearly never stepped outside their comfortable little bubble long enough to realise that, shockingly, different societies do things differently and whatever they say about humanity is just a reflection of their own narrow cultural biases.
But do we award the murderers with the most money, political power, and prestige in society?
But murder is bad, with greed I’m just exercising my natural right to private property
We fuckin tried to be diplomatic with these people and they called me a Nazi so now you all have our blessing to go forth and dunk
Fuck these fucking people.
They seem to think that being an Anarchist just means being anti-communist. To the point that they are literally parroting fascist taking points about “our people”. As if Jackson killing millions of Native Americans to steal their land is somehow not as bad as mismanagement of agricultural policy during a drought/famine? Because Jackson only oppressed the other right. Because a leader’s job isn’t to build a better world by harnessing the labor and skills of all people, but to either exterminate the other to protect their own or liquidate nature and the proletariat for profit
Every radlib thinks they got it all figured out til an actual anarchist shows up and then they all suddenly turn into Nazis
An an ML, I want to say I genuinely feel bad that Anarchists have to deal with this bullshit. Like, I can’t imagine being an Anarchist and having so many illiterate liberals claim their ideology while spewing reprehensible, absurd bullshit. Anarchists are comrades I respect and have principled disagreements with, but these guys? What the fuck.
Like clockwork. They don’t want to have to question their reality. They want to sit complacently at the end of history and watch the suffering around them with glib detachment or, when scratched, vociferous participation.
There’s no redeeming these groups, only hopefully some of the people in them. 196 will always be tainted because of it’s absolute inability to moderate itself. Sometimes you need aggressive purging of the ranks and the stench of 196 shows exactly what happens when you don’t take out the trash.
So Bookchin himself had some pretty terrible takes of course, but maybe he was onto something with the whole “lifestylist” critique.
Where social anarchism called upon people to rise in revolution and seek the reconstruction of society, the irate petty bourgeois who populate the subcultural world of lifestyle anarchism call for episodic rebellion and the satisfaction of their ‘desiring machines’…
He definitely got the treat obsession part right
