More than 100 days into the writers strike, fears have kept mounting over the possibility of studios deploying generative artificial intelligence to completely pen scripts. But intellectual property law has long said that copyrights are only granted to works created by humans, and that doesn’t look like it’s changing anytime soon.

A federal judge on Friday upheld a finding from the U.S. Copyright Office that a piece of art created by AI is not open to protection. The ruling was delivered in an order turning down Stephen Thaler’s bid challenging the government’s position refusing to register works made by AI. Copyright law has “never stretched so far” to “protect works generated by new forms of technology operating absent any guiding human hand,” U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell found.

The opinion stressed, “Human authorship is a bedrock requirement.”

The push for protection of works created by AI has been spearheaded by Thaler, chief executive of neural network firm Imagination Engines. In 2018, he listed an AI system, the Creativity Machine, as the sole creator of an artwork called A Recent Entrance to Paradise, which was described as “autonomously created by a computer algorithm running on a machine.” The Copyright Office denied the application on the grounds that “the nexus between the human mind and creative expression” is a crucial element of protection.

Thaler, who listed himself as the owner of the copyright under the work-for-hire doctrine, sued in a lawsuit contesting the denial and the office’s human authorship requirement. He argued that AI should be acknowledged “as an author where it otherwise meets authorship criteria,” with any ownership vesting in the machine’s owner. His complaint argued that the office’s refusal was “arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion and not in accordance with the law” in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act, which provides for judicial review of agency actions. The question presented in the suit was whether a work generated solely by a computer falls under the protection of copyright law.

“In the absence of any human involvement in the creation of the work, the clear and straightforward answer is the one given by the Register: No,” Howell wrote.

U.S. copyright law, she underscored, “protects only works of human creation” and is “designed to adapt with the times.” There’s been a consistent understanding that human creativity is “at the core of copyrightability, even as that human creativity is channeled through new tools or into new media,” the ruling stated.

While cameras generated a mechanical reproduction of a scene, she explained that it does so only after a human develops a “mental conception” of the photo, which is a product of decisions like where the subject stands, arrangements and lighting, among other choices.

“Human involvement in, and ultimate creative control over, the work at issue was key to the conclusion that the new type of work fell within the bounds of copyright,” Howell wrote.

Various courts have reached the same conclusion. In one of the leading cases on copyright authorship, Burrow-Giles Lithographic Company v. Sarony, the Supreme Court held that there was “no doubt” that protection can be extended to photographs as long as “they are representative of original intellectual conceptions of the author.” The justices exclusively referred to such authors as human, describing them as a class of “persons” and a copyright as the “right of a man to the production of his own genius or intellect.”

In another case, the a federal appeals court said that a photo captured by a monkey can’t be granted a copyright since animals don’t qualify for protection, though the suit was decided on other grounds. Howell cited the ruling in her decision. “Plaintiff can point to no case in which a court has recognized copyright in a work originating with a non-human,” the order, which granted summary judgment in favor of the copyright office, stated.

The judge also explored the purpose of copyright law, which she said is to encourage “human individuals to engage in” creation. Copyrights and patents, she said, were conceived as “forms of property that the government was established to protect, and it was understood that recognizing exclusive rights in that property would further the public good by incentivizing individuals to create and invent.” The ruling continued, “The act of human creation—and how to best encourage human individuals to engage in that creation, and thereby promote science and the useful arts—was thus central to American copyright from its very inception.” Copyright law wasn’t designed to reach non-human actors, Howell said.

The order was delivered as courts weigh the legality of AI companies training their systems on copyrighted works. The suits, filed by artists and artists in California federal court, allege copyright infringement and could result in the firms having to destroy their large language models.

In March, the copyright office affirmed that most works generated by AI aren’t copyrightable but clarified that AI-assisted materials qualify for protection in certain instances. An application for a work created with the help of AI can support a copyright claim if a human “selected or arranged” it in a “sufficiently creative way that the resulting work constitutes an original work of authorship,” it said.

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Don’t post the entire article in the OP, please. You’ll end up getting C&D’s sent to your instance admins if publishers keep seeing this, because it’s - ironically enough in this context - copyright infringement.

Just post a snippet to stay within fair use. Don’t ruin Lemmy for all of us over something so silly.

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Ok, my bad

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What if one feeds the entire article into an LLM and has that rephrase it? Is it derivative then?

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Well you can’t copyright what the AI wrote

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Only if you say it was written by an AI, that’s the lesson here.

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That’s honestly not a bad idea. I might start doing that next time I post a link, myself!

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Only if it introduces biases and errors like a normal person would.

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Other journalists websites do this all the time now, and claim authorship. If they can get away with it, I don’t see why we can’t.

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That’s a normal newspaper’s article. Most articles (non-opinion articles) are rephrasing of press releases from press agencies

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Only if you add flying turtles and snarky goblins into the article.

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Or, even better, use AI to generate a tldr.

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Isn’t that what the autotldr bot basically does?

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Exactly

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@Chozo @ugjka how’s that if the article is actually linked on the post.

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Linking to it is fine, but OP had copy/pasted the full text of the article into the body of the post. It looks like he’s since edited it out.

It doesn’t happen too often, but I’ve seen some websites get in trouble for doing that.

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That’s great! It means artists can continue to use AI art for projects they don’t intend to sell, and Hollywood, which already has too much power, still relies on others.

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Artists can still make money and copyright their stuff. You just can’t use exclusively AI to create the images. Cleaning up an AI generated image count as artistic work. Color correct, add missing fingers, make the eyes point the same way, remove background monstrosities. It all adds up.

Unfortunately this also goes for Hollywood. They can generate the bulk of the work and have one guy do the editing and suddenly they own the edit.

The real losers in this are the people that generate images with no modifications and post it as is while pretending that they are doing art.

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You are correct. Hollywood will simply change up a couple things and then use the assets.

However, I‘m still undecided about how I think about whether generating AI art should count as Human-generated or not. On one hand, people can spend hours if not days or week perfecting a prompt with different tools like ControlNet, different promptstyles and etc. On the other hand, somebody comes up to midjourney, asks for a picture of a dragon wearing a T-Shirt and immediately gets an image that looks pretty decent. It’s probably not exactly what they wanted, but close enough, right? AI gets you 90% there what you want, and the other 10% is the super-hard part that takes forever. Anyway, sorry for dumping my though process from this comment chain on here xD

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Sorry, I am firmly in the camp where that isn’t art. The prompt writing can be a literary work but the result isn’t a work of art. You set up the environment that allowed the image to exist but you didnt make the image.

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That latter case likely wont be copyrightable, but the former can start to meet this criteria mentioned in the article:

An application for a work created with the help of AI can support a copyright claim if a human “selected or arranged” it in a “sufficiently creative way that the resulting work constitutes an original work of authorship,” it said.

The way I read that, the more instruction you give to the composition of the image (ie, how detailed and descriptive you are with your prompt) the better claim you would have to copyrighting the resultant work.

I think the mistake lots of people are making is that all AI generated art is the same and should all be treated the same. Which is likely not going to be the case. And Copyright rulings are mostly done on a case by case bases, unless there is significant change this will likely still hold true and so one ruling on some AI generated art might not result in the same ruling for a different piece created in a different way with different effort.

What this case shot down is the claim that AI can claim copyright on a works as an AI is not human and copyright only applies to humans. Which is the same stance courts have tend before with content created by animals.

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You can copyright the input into the machine possibly (the specific prompt). Just like we can copyright other kinds of software.

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Plenty of things that take weeks of work aren’t art.

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Yeah while this suit covers a very specific scenario, a large majority of AI driven content does have human interaction and does qualify for copyright.

Even just a draft, fed into an AI finishing system, has some human interaction. Nothing is going to stop the AI revolution.

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It looks like the key in the ruling here was that the AI created the work without the participation of a human artist. Thaler tried to let his AI, “The Creativity Machine” register the copyright, and then claim that he owned it under the work for hire clause.

The case was ridiculous, to be honest. It was clearly designed as an attempt to give corporations building these AI’s the copyrights to the work they generate from stealing the work of thousands of human artists. What’s clever here is that they were also trying to sideline the human operators of AI prompts. If the AI, and not the human prompting it, owns the copyright, then the company that owns that AI owns the copyright - even if the human operator doesn’t work for them.

You can see how open this interpretation would be to abuse by corporate owners of AI, and why Thaler brought the case, which was clearly designed to set a precedent that would allow any media company with an AI to cut out human content creators entirely.

The ruling is excellent, and I’m glad Judge Howell saw the nuances and the long term effects of her decision. I was particularly happy to see this part:

In March, the copyright office affirmed that most works generated by AI aren’t copyrightable but clarified that AI-assisted materials qualify for protection in certain instances. An application for a work created with the help of AI can support a copyright claim if a human “selected or arranged” it in a “sufficiently creative way that the resulting work constitutes an original work of authorship,” it said.

This protects a wide swath of artists who are doing incredible AI assisted work, without granting media companies a stranglehold on the output of the new technology.

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I wonder could you interpret this as AI created movie script isn’t copyrightable but the actual filmed movie is. That would invite some weird competition, like we’ve seen over the years with the copycat movies.

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I wonder could you interpret this as AI created movie script isn’t copyrightable

This first but I don’t think that is how it can be interpreted like that. Looks like it comes down to how much human input was used to guide the AI in the works. The more the human guided the AI the more they have a claim to the copyright is how I read that. Not just all AI content cannot be copyrighted. Which IMO seems like a fair way to apply copyright to AI generated content.

The latter part is basically already handled - look at any film created from a public domain works, Shakespeare plays being a big example here. I would expect non-collectable AI works adapted to film to to be handled the same way. Though I suspect that to create any good movie script with AI you would need significant human input which could lean towards to script having a stronger copyright claim by those that guided the AI.

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Yes , but let’s say Marvel writes the next Avengers movie with AI. Somebody else could come along and make their version of it. They’d need their own characters though, because those are copyrighted by marvel comics.

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they generate from stealing the work of thousands of human artists.

Has this been litigated yet?

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Wait, he didn’t just try to claim copyright over AI created material… he tried to claim the AI could copyright it?

Lol. Lmao, even.

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Hope: AI gets so good that people using a personal computer can produce full TV series with a single prompt, delare it uncopyrightable, and share the best results online as a alternative to corporate stuff.

Fear: IP law becomes so disconnected from the current situation that it prompts governments start over from scratch. New IP law is written by the corporations for the corporations, and any form of creativity is restricted and monetized.

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It sorta already happens. No one owns the copywrite to vampires hence all the stuff that is only slightly above fanfics becoming big. You are welcome to hate on Twilight but you can’t deny it’s popularity.

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This doesn’t change much because of a simple difference: This was an AI product put in wholesale.

There was no human intervention in (visually) creating this product, thus no human can claim copyright.

Studios aren’t gonna do this when replacing some of their writers, because AI may not be good enough yet. Instead, it’ll be a smaller team, they’ll do the edits, and they can claim copyright.

This only really matters If AI advances to the point where we can completely create a full movie or TV show from scratch with just purely prompting, which, currently, we can not.

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A spoof of Seinfeld runs 24/7 from only AI input after the initial prompt. It is bad, but exists. Depending on your quality standards, we are there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing,_Forever

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The rigging and models are copyrightable.

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Having tried to do something similar, “Nothing, Forever” must have some pretty serious coding to engineer the prompts and reconstruct tiny snippets of AI generated dialogue into a full meaningful script. I wonder if that’s enough for the creators to claim copyright.

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That’s what I see likely. Writers will eventually use this as a tool. Say setup a scene and generate 40 versions. Pick the best one, edit it, feed back what you improved, generate another 40…

We are still reading Shakespeare and I think part of the reason was how he wrote those plays.

Write the scene, pass to actors, actors have notes, rewrite scene, pass to actors, have actors act out scenes, make changes, run changes by actors, rewrite scene, perform scene, watch audiences (are they laughing at the jokes? Are they sad when they are supposed to be sad?), make edits,…

He did it like a collaborative activity and gradual refinement. Almost none of his plays have an official indisputable version, instead we have multiple versions with slight differences.

Stop worrying about your jobs writers, this is a tool. Use it.

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It’s only a tool for lazy, shot by, hack writers. Like the writers for Big Bang or any kids show by Disney.

Why would a real writer need AI to steal words from others? Do you think Neil Gaimon needs help from a shitty program to write? Or any other high caliber writer? No. Because AI is for untalented artists and writers. They are the ones getting terrified that it might replace them.

Which speaks to their skillsets.

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The thing is there was uncountable amout of people intervention. AI art is derivative work achieved via mathematical means.

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Not in the copyright sense.

Yes, there were millions of people’s work that was in the training data that was used to make whatever AI program created those AI images, but (at least right now) that isn’t considered for legal ownership.

The US Copyright Office is taking the stance that there must be human effort that can be seen/pointed to in the final product directly in order to count as an “Author”.

Think about that guy with the monkey taking a photo, and how that got into the public domain. Just because the company selling the camera “created the camera used to take the photo” (made the AI model) or because someone using the camera “set their own settings for the photo to be its best quality” (typed in a proper prompt for the model) doesn’t mean that either party “owns” that image.

That whole paradigm could maybe change if/when AI LLM programs get seriously regulated, but even so, I personally don’t think that changes the chain of ownership, nor should it.

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So it’s the same as when the film industry got started?

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The element of human creativity derives from the Constitution.

“To promote art the author has the exclusive right.” Something like that.

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By that logic, all human art is derivative work achieved via biological means. No artist works in a vacuum. Everything an artist sees subtly influences their style.

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This is why “intelectual property” is such bullshit

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The work itself must be a product of creativity, reduced to a tangible medium.

The code that makes the art, the prompts, could be copyrighted. But not the output.

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