231 points

Back in the day this was even better:

Original Galaxy S battery was getting weak? Order a new battery from Amazon for 13€. Battery arrives, pop the back of the phone off, pull battery out (just like that, no soldering), push new battery in. Push the back of the phone back on, done.

New battery in and it had more mAh than the original one. Despite overclocking that phone it ran a day longer after the replacement.

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100 points

If the EU has its way we might all get this.

One can hope.

People can babble about water proofing, etc. There is no legitimate engineering problem.

The battery could power the device wirelessly at this point.

They could even claim they’re saving the environment by not including the battery after a couple release cycles.

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39 points

Oof i didn’t think of them selling the battery separate possibly with an upcharge. monkeys paw curls

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21 points

You probably also didn’t think about them no longer making the battery two years after releasing the phone.

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30 points

The battery could power the device wirelessly at this point.

That’s not a thing. Wireless charging is horribly inefficient and produces lots of heat, reducing performance and battery life.

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2 points

Sure, but it is possible.

Might happen if it has some sort of benefit that we don’t know about for waterproofing separate batteries, even if it is indeed less efficient.

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9 points

People can babble about water proofing, etc. There is no legitimate engineering problem.

Even if it was a legitimate problem, it’s sad that only about half of the phones are certified waterproof even if almost all are sealed.

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1 point

Not that the phones are warrantied against water damage even if they are rated as water resistant.

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-1 points

Why is that sad? I can understand why companies don’t want to pay just to get a certification when the phone itself is up to standards regardless

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6 points

Lol no doubt. Remember when Apple (and other manufacturers I guess) stopped including chargers in the box and they told us it was to reduce waste and was better for the environment? I wonder how many millions of dollars it saved them?

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5 points

I think the proposal went through. The Deadline is 2027 though. But hopefully, manufacturers will change in preparation of this rule so we maybe see the effects earlier like we saw with usb c? Officially, obligatory usb c usage starts in at the end of 2024, but I think everyone but Apple has already switched and Apple said they’re planning to comply within the time frame.

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2 points

About waterproofing: I’ve had to replace a G6’s glass back twice and both times the new cover had the seal pre-installed and the phone could still be cleaned with soap and water, no issue.

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-4 points

So my consumer preference for a sealed phone with a specific form factor simply doesn’t matter I guess?

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4 points

Do you mean your consumer preference as it is currently dictated by companies?

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31 points

Thanks for reminding me of how I used to never worry about battery life cause the moment one got low, I’d just pop a spare out of my backpack and continue on with my day. Batteries were so freaking cheap!

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20 points

You even had official charging stands that had slots for the extra battery so you could charge everything at once overnight

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5 points

I have an Anker powerbank for that, if my phone ever gets low I just plug it in in my bag.

Though it never got this far to be honest, my Galaxy S22 lasts for 2+ days (so charging it in the evening for half an hour is usually enough to never worry about battery).

Bought the powerbank 6 years ago to play Pokemon Go (go figure), but then they removed the steps feature (showing you how far away you are from the Pokemon, leading to people actually hunting them down instead of sitting around in one spot) and I stopped playing (:

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6 points

Still, plugging in for an hour or more vs just popping a new battery in n having a full charge instantly is not comparable.

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1 point

I just bought a shoulder bag that has a USB passthrough for this sort of thing. I haven’t put a powerbank inside yet but I plan to. Both mine and my wife’s iPhone 13 batteries are starting to suck bad.

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-8 points

great for you, doesn’t spund great for the environment, I like the push for replaceable batteries, but surely battery banks are a better solution since they are universal

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5 points

Agreed for general use, but for people who just replace the entire phone instead of replacing the battery, it will reduce the waste of all the rest of the phone for some time.

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4 points

Charging the internal battery from an external one loses a lot of energy, battery charging is very far from 100% efficient A phone might not use enough energy for this to make much of a difference, but you need to build and carry beefier battery banks compared to internal batteries, and I’m not sure whether you’ll see a net benifit

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28 points

Lol this post reads like grandma telling her kids about how phones were in her day!
“When I was young, we’d just pop the back off the phone and replace the battery ourselves.”
“Yea yea grandma. Let’s get you to bed.”

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29 points

I mean they’re not wrong tho. This isn’t a I walked up hill both ways to school story. Its meant to convey how crappy companies have become with planned obsolescence.

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5 points

And it wasn’t even that long ago either. I feel like I’m talking to teenagers.

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20 points

Kid today don’t know how bad they have it.

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9 points

New Fairphones still have that feature.

But those were also made with repair in mind.

You can literally replace your usb-c port for 15€ with original parts by yourself, by spending 15 minutes with a screwdriver.

And the parts of a Fairphone 2 are still available, nearly 8 years after it launched.

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There was an even bigger benefit that most people maybe didn’t realise at that time or even now, but when the phone fell that energy got distributed into the parts flying apart, which used to reduce the damage the phone took

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14 points

That’s part of what makes the Noikia 3310 so infamously hard to damage from dropping it, even at extreme heights. It’s designed to come apart on impact instead of staying in one piece and taking the full brunt of the impact.

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6 points

Oh god, yeah. My original Galaxy S was dropped a few times and the plastic back cover and the battery flew apart. But the screen never got a scratch, just the plastic had a few small scratches.

But in general the new glass on phone screen sucks ass. My Galaxy S22 has small scratches from normal use, just being in my pocket. The OnePlus 5 I had before that? Not a single scratch.

They are making the glass softer now so it doesn’t crack as easily, but at the same time it starts to scratch more. Instead of going with really hard glass that doesn’t scratch and just telling customers to put a case on :-/

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3 points

It feels like my S22 ultra’s screen is made of LDPE it’s so soft…

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14 points

Just buy a Fairphone end enjoy the exact same thing

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13 points

Fairphone sounds great but currently has a poor price to performance ratio

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6 points

You pay extra because the materials were sourced through moral means and not sweatshops.

I for one like that feature.

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1 point

I only stick to my Note 9 (peak Samsung) because of stylus support that no one else offers. When Fairphone stars offering as awesome stylus support as Samsung does, I’m moving immediately.

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-1 points

Did they make a Fairphone Fold yet? If not then I’m not leaving my Z Fold 3 anytime soon. I regret not waiting for the Pixel Fold…

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2 points

I don’t think they will, any time yet anyway.

Looking at how my FP3 and the newer FP4 is assembled, I don’t think they can make a foldable and easily repairable device right now (didn’t stop them releasing those unrepairable Earbuds, but oh well)

There’s also the software aspect too

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13 points

I did the same with my HTC Thunderbolt. That phone had so many features that these newer “better” phones don’t. Removable battery, expandable storage, IR blaster. That generation was peak for smartphones. Now I just get pixel A’s because they are all the same trash, and at least it’s cheap.

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5 points

My Galaxy SIII took soo much abuse before it finally died, when I got it, a friend of mine had already installed CyanogenMod onto it. Best rooted phone I ever owned.

It was bulletproof in more ways than one, by the time I finally laid it to rest the charging port was broken and I had to charge it by touching wires to the 2 pins meant for a wireless charger, and the phone wouldn’t charge unless it was turned off.

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12 points

just like that, no soldering

There’s never any soldering involved when replacing batteries tho?

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9 points

Oh, could be. Looking it up they mostly use adhesives, custom screws and other crap to stop you from replacing. I could have sworn I heard of a phone where they actually soldered the battery in. Maybe I just made that up though.

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12 points

The batteries are not soldered even in the newest Samsung phones. Everything you’d want to replace is modular. Not sure about Apple.

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17 points

Also not soldered on any iPhone but for sure stuck behind several layers of adhesive.

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15 points

My pixel 4a battery isn’t soldered but I needed to spend 45 minutes taking it apart and it’s definitely not something the average phone user would be comfortable doing. We need to pass (in the US) some sort of legislation that makes it simple to replace phone batteries.

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12 points

Fat chance. Our only hope is that the EU does it

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Oh it took me about 4 hours recently to replace the battery in my galaxy note 10. Most of that time was painstakingly cleaning up the old adhesives and gaskets with alcohol, tweezers and scrapers.

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Or, better yet, you should be able to hot swap the battery, which means that you can change one half of the battery, then the second half and the phone won’t shut down at all. Foldables make it easier since they already use 2 batteries, 1 for each half. Just wire them up in parallel and the voltage won’t drop when one is taken out for replacement by the user.

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But customers want water-proof devices! Therefore we cannot make batteries replacable, it’s not what the market wants you know /s

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127 points

This makes no sense. How does a working phone “miss a few vitals parts” necessary to replace battery?

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there’s a channel on YouTube, by louis rossman. you’ll find plenty of examples of bs answers from apple tech support in order to make you spend a great deal of money.

furthermore, nowhere it talks about “vital parts”. So yeah, it makes no sense, but for other reasons.

Read your comment twice, now I got what you mean. took me a bit, but you’re definitely right.

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-67 points

Does Louis rossman do anything else?

Because I can see making bank off gathering bad experiences. Statistically there must be dozens each day.

The anti-Apple crowd would binge the shit out of that.

Idiocracy is here and now.

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58 points

You say “anti Apple crowd” like we shouldn’t all be exactly that. Corporations have nobody’s interest at heart but their own. Stop being a fanboy, stop feeling any kind of loyalty for a bunch of rich fucks that’ll screw you over first chance they get. Pro consumer is the only reasonable position to have.

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24 points

Idiocracy is here and now.

Ironic considering you’re the one simping for a mega conglomerate guilty of known anti-consumer practises. Come on dude, it’s not like the subtle. Grow a brain.

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You can just check out his YouTube channel to get the answer, I guess.

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17 points

Because I can see making bank off gathering bad experiences

The majority of his YT videos tend to have monetisation disabled

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14 points

you should ask him what else does he do for a living and or hobby.

Idiocracy is here and now.

If ye say so

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57 points

The genius bar is pretty infamous for largely being staffed by idiots

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Well that’s because there all college kids. Apple is all about the perception not the reality.

Apple but more effort into designing the aesthetic of the store than they do training the staff.

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My best guess is he removed the screws from the phone and maybe they couldn’t service the phone because of that? Wild guess, used to work behind the Genius Bar, but that was almost 15yrs ago. But it sounds like a made up excuse tbh.

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15 points

They claimed my daughter’s phone had a cracked screen and couldn’t replace the battery, while showing a picture of the very clearly not cracked screen.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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6 points

I imagine this is how Apple would justify it - if there are internal screws or shields missing then it’s a sign that it has been repaired previously by a 3rd party. It might work fine, but it’s not to the original Apple specification.

The Apple store don’t want to take responsibility for those repairs so refuse to do further work in case it leaves them with liability.

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105 points

“your phone is missing some parts”

I’m sorry what? Did they fall out when I turned it to the side?

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38 points

I used to do 3rd party repairs, and it’s impossible to describe how fucked up some devices were that came to me from other repair places. Missing screws, shields, screws put back int he wrong places and occasionally they had worked with a bad tech that damaged the mainboard.

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11 points

“I was expecting $500 inside like in some of those tiktok videos.”

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94 points

It’s almost like Apple is incredibly anti-consumer, and go out of their way to make buying a new phone more appealing than trying to repair the one you have

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24 points

You think Apple is bad, let me tell you about a company named John Deere.

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41 points

It’s not a competition, they can both be shit.

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21 points

John Deere sure does hate competition

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1 point

It’s not a counterargument, they can both be inclusive comments.

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8 points

I went to the John Deere museum in Moline, and they were playing fucking devotional music about their tractors,

For God so loved the world that he gave us his sole-begotten tractor…

🤮🤑

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7 points

…that we make with proprietary hardware & software that renders your tractor a brick when the electronics break…

Raaaammmmmennnn!!!

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5 points

Oh mate, I’m aware of John Deere and their “but we can’t let the farmers repair their own equipment because the environment

Yes, because independent repair shops are definitely going to sabotage your tractors to make them worse for the environment if you don’t step in and stop them!

It’s totally not about establishing a monopoloy to force farmers to pay exorbitant repair charges, or face paying for a whole new tractor entirely when you refuse to do repairs. Not at all!

/s in case it wasn’t obvious

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87 points

How are they only just now coming to that conclusion.

A screen replacement for an iPhone is like 80% of the price of the new phone. They’ve been doing this for years now. This isn’t a great revelation.

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I mean, they own an iPhone to begin with, slow on the uptake is part of the aesthetic

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