there is a rightwinger instance constantly showing up in my feed and blocking users/communities one by one is getting a bit annoying :/
Reporting isn’t good. I do think users should have an ability to block instances for themselves. (you can do that right now if you run your own instance)
yeah, users need more control, instances need the ability to defederate due to anything crossing legal lines in thier jursdictions, but right now its used for more than that simply because it works well.
users should have control over blocking not just communities but entire instances if they please and meta on posts/communities should be correct so instances can show users SFW public pages for non-members (aka the general public)
Users should absolutely have mute/block/privacy controls. These should be used to build the community they want and see what they want to see.
Users should not be left to “fend for themselves” against abuse/hate/racism having a platform.
A person of color should feel safe.
Women should feel safe.
LGBTQIA+ should feel safe.
BIPOC should feel safe.
They should be able to login, find their community and participate without needing to deal with DM’s of lynchings, being publichly shamed with racial slurs. Power belongs to real community and real engagement, not abusers.
Users should not be left to “fend for themselves” against abuse/hate/racism having a platform.
This is precisely the point I’ve been trying to make elsewhere in the thread. Maybe some people want total individual freedom/responsibility to block or not, but most of us want to find an instance community that will protect us and serve our interests by dealing with that for us, so we don’t have to go through that mental health damage constantly.
The good thing is you can always run a tiny instance for just yourself and not defederate with anyone if other communities defederate too aggressively.
im sure it would need some tweaks to how sync works but i think its completely possible for every user that wanted to have thier own instance, running right on thier phone if they desired.
Let me guess: exploding heads?
You should discuss it with your own instance admins.
The best solution is de-federating their connection to that instance but it is done for everyone on an instance so it’s not a small decision.
This is just so far as I understand, I may be very wrong on how this works.
defederation should be kept to a minimum and saved for big offenders only. I think best option is for lemmy to have an option to hide posts from some instances on a per user basis.
I agree with this. Everyone keeps saying that it doesn’t matter which instance you sign up with, since everything is federated. But my biggest concern is thriving communities potentially getting cut off from the rest of the fediverse because they unluckily got created on an instance that has a bad reputation for something completely unrelated. Allowing users to individually hide entire instances for themselves seems like the better approach.
Can’t you block or mute instances yourself?
Right now it’s only possible to block communities and users, no way for a user to block an entire instance.
In other comment they linked to the issue for the devs to fix/add.
Being something inspired in Reddit I was expecting to have that already, I like games but I don’t care about a lot of the trailers or games so hidding them would really help clear my feed without blocking an instance or a user (specilly when it’s the main user posting news and trailers in general, I don’t want to block them).
Lemmygrad? A lot of instances ban it, message the admins directly
While I understand your wanting to ban such a community, I think moving away from that type of action is a good thing. It’s all about personal freedom. I have some instances blocked already but I would never decide to do that for everyone because what gives me that right? Speak out against them. Make your views know. Denounce, Rage, never quit. But never censor. Freedom of information and choice is the end goal. Banning a topic is what leads to radicals because they have no outlet for their insanity.
By “ban” they mean defederate from. They’re not banning an instance from the Fediverse, the instance that’s defederating from the other one is just choosing not to interact with or have to see them anymore. So your rhetoric here is misapplied, because one instance defederating from another isn’t silencing the latter for anyone else but the instance that made that choice. It’s not analogous to restricting freedom of information or personal freedom at all, on fact it’s precisely an exercise of personal freedom: freedom of association! It’s more equivalent to just leaving a club and never coming back or hanging out around them anymore. Yes, it’s done on the whole instance’s behalf, so it effects more than just one person, but thats why random instance members can’t defederate an instance they don’t run from another instance, there’s a decision procedure to make sure it represents the wishes of the instance as a whole.
Semantics. If you defederate an instance, in this case lemmy.world blocks the instance /c/(hate group), you make the decision for everyone on that instance (you being the owner), on who can see what. This will create pockets of many little hubs instead of one big decentralized mesh network. This comes right back to the “owner” of the instance controlling everything that the user can see. I understand someone is paying the bills and that moderation is going to be needed. This is of course going to come down to choice. Is there a way to view each instances block list? If not it should be implemented into the back end somewhere, once again to allow freedom of choice.
What decision procedures are in place to stop rogue instance owners from making unilateral decisions? I admit I’m very new to lemmy and activitypub as a whole. If the community as a whole can weight in on the decision, then by all means, go ahead. 100% fair and I agree with you. I’m just against any type of actions being made by small groups of individuals that are “for the good of everyone”. I really don’t have an agenda here. I just want the freedom of choice for everyone. I’m tired of living in a world where there are people who think they know whats best for everyone else.
Thank you for your time to respond. Regards.
It’s not censoring, they can still go and subscribe to something even if it’s defederated afaik. It’s just not shown by default, which sounds like a great idea for instance owners that want to protect their users or curate the overall atmosphere. Or they just create an account there if they disagree with the decision.
I 100% agree that it’s the owners choice if he decides to block content. But as far as I know if a instance is defederated and the instance owner doesn’t publish a block list, users on the server would have no idea it existed in the first place.
There are already a couple of search engines that show instances. Maybe if some of the developers could add categories so people could find things they are interested in. This could be a useful tool for building communities. As long as it’s an uncensored database of indexes I think this would be great. If you know one that is indexing instances by category please post it.
I’m sure instances will post guidelines and rules once they get everything straightened out. I’m just a strong advocate for personal choice. Once again I understand why some people want moderation and I understand eventually it may well be needed for some communities. As long as the owners are open about this that’s fine, but not all operators are going to be transparent with these policies.
I agree. A bad opinion/agenda that is denounced with logical reasoning and compassion will do far greater good than simply censoring. The potential future followers of that bad opinion/agenda would maybe be swayed by a superior view point if they saw the majority of comments were opposed to it.
I thought it was generally somewhat studied that we’re already at a point where correcting bad actors isn’t enough anymore, as they can spread much faster than humanity has resources to be on top of it with right information. Deplatorming seems to be the currently suggested praxis.
