Wow the sheer lack of self-recognition in this guy… Dude, you ARE the Nazi that you pretend to be fighting against. It doesn’t matter if you’re American or Russian, you ‘proud boys’ are all the same.
Thank God the Ukrainian military isn’t notoriously packed with Nazis! Because Biden has already given $75 billion to these people, and what do you call someone who gives money to Nazis?
Could you give me a source or any proof that the Russian army is packed with Nazis?
They constantly crack down on fascists all the time ever since Putin was in office. Russia probably has the strongest anti Nazi culture of any country
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/24/world/europe/24iht-russia.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-medvedev-nationalism-idUSTRE70G4DP20110117
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2015/9/23/behind-russias-ultra-nationalist-crackdown
I would call someone who gives money to Nazis a Nazi.
That said, Russia has been funding alt-right and neo-Nazi groups in the US. So by your point, Russia is also Nazi.
So between the US, Russia, and Ukraine, all of them are Nazis.
So the Russia-Ukrainan war is like a big Nazi infight.
So the Russia-Ukrainan war is like a big Nazi infight.
Seems about right. Both also have their most, eh, enthusiastic volunteer units cosplaying Nazis in symbolic. Though Ukrainians less so - first, they were doing that since 2014, second, they have a full mobilization, so neo-Nazi units, while still existent, were much less likely to preserve their character.
Unlike Russia, who claims to be fighting Nazis while bringing in people who proudly wear their Nazi tattoos in both the public and private armies. And really, if you believe the hype that Russia is fighting against Nazis then you haven’t been paying attention, and I have a bridge to sell you.
Just to be clear, the US hasn’t provided any money. They’ve provided that much value in assets. Those assets already existed and we’re sitting around in storage, which required money to maintain anyway. They were constructed with the idea of fighting both China and Russia at the same time. They are being used to fight Russia, which decreases the level of stock that needs to be maintained to fight both of those nations at once. It’s quite possibly saving money, or at least not costing nearly the price tag that is said.
The US has been rather open about funding the entire Ukrainian government more or less since the war began (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/04/28/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-request-to-congress-for-additional-funding-to-support-ukraine/), which cannot be done entirely by sending them old military equipment. And the idea that we are saving money by provoking a nuclear power has got to be one of the craziest things I have read in quite some time.
Euromaidenpress, lmao
but certainly far more on the Russian side…
Can you give a credible source to this claim?
Can bad things about Russia not be pointed out? I thought hexbear users were happy to point out when Russia was in the wrong.
What the fuck…
War is ugly. That’s probably happening on both sides. You try not killing a guy that’s was shooting to kill you.
Got any testimony from Ukraine soldiers saying they kill POWs?
Until you do, gtfo with “they’re probably both doing it”
Eh, there is some evidence of it occurring here and there. I think I have seen like 5 or 6 of Ukrainians torturing or killing POWs. If you want, I can go get some links to videos and news articles. It’s pretty rare and seems way more prevalent on the Russian side, who have filmed themselves committing some truly barbaric things, including emasculations and decapitations.
Those are Ukranians, both of them, no Russian would say that and since none of you know the difference between Russian and Ukrainian it’s too easy to fool people
Yes, American soldiers would never do such things. They are distributing bananas and chocolate during war times to POW, have a lot of occasions to do so during the last decades.
Side note: The American army unofficially encourages their combat arms branch soldiers to shoot wounded combatants during combat and to double-tap the wounded and the dead while assaulting through killzones so they don’t have to worry about ‘bullshit rules’ relating to capturing POWs including ‘bullshit’ things such as delivering life-saving first aid or the “hassle” of transporting them to a location to properly process them as POWs under the international rules of war.
Lemme put it this way. If I’m a brown person and I’ve made an enemy of both the Taliban and the U.S. military: which side do you think is better to be caught by? The side that will put a bullet in your head, or the side that will put an electric drill inside your head?
War is war. Either you are appalled that people are killing each other or you aren’t, don’t act like murderers not following “rules” matters to you.
What do American soldiers have to do with this? That is not even a good whataboutism.
this type of lazy between the ears thinking is making this worse for everyone; please consider stopping.
Because the atomic unit of propaganda is not lies, it’s emphasis. With any article about anything, the most important question to ask is “Why are they writing about this right now, instead of anything else?” Granted, prisoner killing strikes most of us as a ghoulsh thing, but that alone doesnt make this newsworthy in the context of a war. The newsworthy part comes when the western press chooses to amplify this story while quashing others, playing up the other team’s crimes and ignoring our own,giving rise to the narrative of the enemy as universally inhuman and unworthy of mercy. Our war crimes are always accidents and mistakes, their war crimes are always the result of their inherent (perhaps hereditary) bloodlust.
The point of this “whataboutism” it to point out that this article is presenting the killing of prisoners of war as some kind of horrifying aberration from the norm, without actually saying what the norm is. Because the norm, for my entire life, has been the unnacountable mass slaughter by the US of not just POWs, but innocent people.
The killing of POWs is the norm, we set the norm, and now we’re crying foul when our enemies follow this norm while sweeping it under the rug when our allies do the same.
Am I saying this makes the killing of POWs morally good? No. Byt what I am saying is that this article was written in bad faith to perpetuate a war where our ally has been shelling civillians and deploying death squads for nine years, with shells and death squad training we gave them.
Decrying the killing of noncombatants is fine and good in a vaccum, but it’s a sick joke coming from the 200-year reigning Champion of Noncombatant Murder.
International law is one area where whataboutism is a perfectly valid and accepted line of argument. Unlike domestic law, there is no enforcement mechanism for stuff like war crimes and most laws aren’t clearly written down. If a country like Russia or the US executes some prisoners of war, the war police isn’t going to show up to write them a ticket.
International law only exists where countries agree it exists. Part of that agreement is treaties and the like, but most of it is what International lawyers call “state practice”. Countries can say that a law exists all they want, but if they don’t follow the law in their actions then the law doesn’t exist.
Therefore, “America, you consistently fail to follow this law so I’m entitled to act as if it doesn’t exist” is a totally reasonable argument as far as International law is concerned.
He also says his comrades once took captive a Polish soldier, forced him to stand on his knees, and killed him by shooting him in the head.
Sounds like a foreign mercenary to which the laws of war relating to prisoners of war don’t apply.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
the guy who killed him is also a mercenary. and poles live in ukraine, there are lawful combatants from the polish citizens of ukraine.
e: the article says “volunteer” but that still seems like something that would need a trial to determine whether they lacked protections before a summary execution. that should apply to any participants from neighboring countries’ ethnicities
The definition of mercenary for POW purposes requires that the mercenary not be from the country which the armed forces are from. Russian guy fighting for Russian military via PMC is not a mercenary. Polish guy fighting for Ukranian military via PMC could be.
You’re right in that a trial should be conducted but given that there’s plenty of Ukrainians uploading videos of them torturing Russian POWs, I think we’re well past that point.
you could also say the folding of the ukrainian foreign legion into the territorial defense forces formally makes them not mercenaries with an equal legal footing. either we stringently follow the geneva conventions and there are no mercenaries on either side, or we call a spade a spade
Bad take. Killing prisoners is unacceptable if it isn’t in crisis or revolution.
