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Many of the concessions the government asked of TikTok look eerily similar to the surveillance tactics critics have accused Chinese officials of abusing. To allay fears the short-form video app could be used as a Chinese surveillance tool, the federal government nearly transformed it into an American one instead.

lul The real motivation

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This is why the US Government wants to ban Tiktok. It’s very easy for them to force Google, Apple, Microsoft or Twitter to spy on people. It’s much harder with a Chinese company that is headquartered overseas.

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“Let us see the data and analysis products you’re gathering on our citizens to send home to the CCP”

“How dare you ask us for such an invasion of their privacy!”

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They forcefully got tons of data from google, microsoft etc on US citizens. Why would they be doing it for “good” now? Just because “CCP bad”?

Instead Apple and hardware manufacturers in general should prevent their products from allowing any software company from invading the people’s privacy in such intense ways.

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This article and the one it links to from Forbes describe arrangements to access the data that is being collected through the app but I believe the Gizmodo headline is misrepresenting that as a request for additional invasive features. My comment is meant to point out how I perceive the drafted agreement and the pearl-clutching response from that headline.

I don’t think they want that information purely in the service of Truth, Justice and the American Way™ but concerns about what the CCP has access to through their app are legitimate. Privacy invasion is unacceptable no matter who is doing it. There are cases where it is necessary but even then, it should be limited and subject to intense scrutiny to protect the rights of individuals. The Patriot act and things like it are an absolute disaster on that front, for example, but that’s no excuse for feeding our information directly to a hostile foreign power.

I’d love to see hardware and software producers (as well as legislators) putting user privacy higher on their list of priorities. It’s a huge problem that we’re still coming to grips with and the people making the rules are generally woefully ignorant of the technology in use.

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Thank you,

People who read headlines are being robbed here. I agree following the Forbes article was WAY more helpful and nothing backed up Gizmodo’s claim.

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Instead Apple and hardware manufacturers in general should prevent their products from allowing any software company from invading the people’s privacy in such intense ways.

lol, every intel processor has a backdoor called the intel management engine, it’s literally a second processor running minix.

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Right? And who do you think asked them to put it in there?

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When the US does it it’s just established practise. When a non-US entity does the same thing, it’s suddenly a matter of national security.

The anti-Chinese vibe in the US right now is rather absurd. The rise of China should have been viewed as an opportunity, not a threat.

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When the US does it it’s just established practise. When a non-US entity does the same thing, it’s suddenly a matter of national security.

Even as someone with a healthy distrust for the Chinese government, this really is the reason why. If Facebook was Chinese and nothing else changed, the US government would feel the same way.

TikTok is used as a surveillance tool in China but US social media is also used the same way here. I wouldn’t be surprised if Facebook at the very least donated public profile pictures to the FBI for facial recognition purposes.

The US would react the same for almost any other government with exceptions to the Five Eyes, in which case they wouldn’t care, and Russia, in which case it would be fully banned.

Not to claim that the US government and the Chinese government are the same, though. Only more or less from a spying and surveillance perspective.

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When you see the amount of patriotism people seem to get flooded in from an early age, it’s kinda understandable the blindness a lot of Americans have to how shitty their country has gotten.

On the flip side, China definitely has its own problems, particularly with such an authoritarian government currently.

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the blindness a lot of Americans have to how shitty their country has gotten always been.

FTFY (signed: a lemming from Latin America).

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Any country, US or not, spying on other countries’ citizens ought to be taken as a matter of national security in the target countries. China does take it as a matter of national security, which is why, among other reasons, many foreign social media sites and services are blocked, run as separate instances from the rest of the world, or restricted heavily

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On the other hand, if all of this public attention leads to restrictions on ALL digital tracking, not just from foreign corporations, I’ll be soo happy.

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Every accusation levelled at china is projection

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The only issue I’ve ever had with TikTok is that it’s the Chinese government spying on American citizens in a way they don’t allow America to do to theirs. Not that either instance is right but you can’t say something is wrong and not allowed and do it yourself.

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But America spies on non-American citizens in the exact same way as TikTok does. The US complaining here is just hypocrisy. And the US has been doing it for far longer than the Chinese have.

So as a European citizen there is no difference between USian or Chinese Big Tech in terms of spying on me.

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China doesn’t let anyone spy on their citizens as they ban all foreign social media etc. That’s the difference.

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File it under “no shit” and “stuff that was called from the beginning but now we’ll all act surprised.”

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