Return-to-office orders look like a way for rich, work-obsessed CEOs to grab power back from employees::White-collar workers temporarily enjoyed unprecedented power during the pandemic to decide where and how they worked.
“These elite CEOs probably work 100-plus hours a week and they’re much more work-focused.”
No they don’t. Full stop. Let’s stop fabricating this bullshit. That’s 16hrs a day M-F with 10hrs Sat/Sun. Elon Musk is not doing those hours period, let alone while also finding time to play Elden Ring.
Yeah people need to stop acting like they’re the most hardworking people out there. They definitely are not. Especially when you can be CEO of multiple companies and no one bats an eye.
Well, let’s do some quick math. Let’s count billable hours in a day with a minimum billable hour being 1 hour. If you work a 6 hour work day, and can complete the average task in 15 minutes, that works out to 24 possible billable hours in one day accounting for a total of 90 minutes of actual work.
So yeah, on paper it’s actually really easy to “work” 100 hours per week
I totally agree. I always think it’s weird when they have interviews or podcasts about talking to CEOs and they all say something like “you just have to work hard enough”. Yeah. Okay.
Where are the podcasts where they ask lottery winners for some vapid aphorism about hard work paying off?
They could and should do a podcast of that married couple who gamed and won the Michigan State lottery… I mean that was a lot of hardwork lol.
Jerry and Marge Selbee if anyone wants to look them up.
Even if Elon Musk is putting in 100-hour weeks, he’s the CEO of five companies, which means being CEO of one company is a half-time gig at most.
CEOs DO NOT WORK HUNDRED HOUR WEEKS.
CEOs DO NOT WORK HUNDRED HOUR WEEKS.
CEOs DO NOT WORK HUNDRED HOUR WEEKS.
CEOs DO NOT WORK HUNDRED HOUR WEEKS.
NOBODY FUCKEN DOES, YOU’D BE A BRAIN DEAD ZOMBIE
Its important to note what they consider work too. I’m sorry but spending half of your day getting to meetings and the other half in them is not the same as fixing a layer 3 issue on a critical app, or laboring all day in the sun at 60 hours a week. I don’t subscribe to the idea that work is work. If that were true nobody would mind being a traffic controller over an office administrator.
But work is work. If you’re doing it for the benefit of a business only because they’re paying you to do it then that is the literal definition of work. Just because it’s not hard work doesn’t mean it’s not work?
Besides, that number isn’t self-reported numbers, it’s from a study I read recently, and it was included as a tangentially related point. I could try and track it down if you like.
It’s also important to note that not every CEO is a billionaire of a megacorp. There are millions of small business owners who are also CEOs.
If all work is not the same why would people perform these difficult jobs where you fix issues on critical apps.
Simple office administration jobs which aren’t difficult can be done by anybody.
Sure, most CEOs get disproportionately paid for the position they’re in but I don’t think they’re job is any less stressful or demanding than actually working with the nuts and bolts.
Talking about work during a business dinner does not equal hours. Thinking about work ideas after hours does not equal hours. Fostering a business connection does not equal work hours.
And if they do, then I get to count stressing in the shower, arguments in my head while I go for a walk, ranting to my partner about work problems, and keeping in touch with former coworkers.
A third of their job is “fostering business connections,” with the other third being “understanding the company and workforce,” followed by “actually making decisions.”
I do 40 hour weeks. I certainly do less difficult work than a construction worker, but it’s still considered work. Work is work, whether you’re being paid to sit on your ass and draw stick figures or actually doing continuous manual labor.
All I’m saying is just because you don’t consider it work doesn’t mean it isn’t being done entirely for business reasons, for the business, during work hours, which they are only doing because it’s their job. It is therefore definitely work. Not “hard” work but still work
I can’t believe you’re getting downvoted for citing a Harvard study….
Here’s the link for the lazy. https://hbr.org/2018/07/how-ceos-manage-time#how-ceos-manage-time
I’d also work 60 hours a week if I could count getting chauffeured around and eating lunches with people as “work”
My main take on the pandemic is that employers involuntarily gave their employees a huge benefit set by having to go remote. They had to give this benefit set not just to their buddies or a select few, but to people they consider undeserving or do not trust.
All of their moves since have reflected that they want to put the cat back in the bag.
It’s not about productivity at all and never has been. The studies even called the bluff by comparing productivity and determined that productivity is higher with WFH. The reaction to that has been to ignore the data and lean back into gut feel, because high level management isn’t really about productivity.
You can tell this simply by the fact that their natural environment is the office and very few things in an office environment are actually about productivity. The reason they want return to office is the same reason they wanted open offices: control. It’s easier for them to hover behind you in an open office plan. It’s easier for them to order you around when they don’t have to call you first.
It’s all about control, and likely always has been.
As a manager, I can confirm that productivity drops in the office (even my own). I’ve got team members that choose to go to the office (moreso than me). I encourage them to work however they prefer, and want. You can work anywhere around the world however you wish, including at some nice beach, as long as it doesn’t affect the project.
A lot of that control is about perceived obedience and perceived productivity.
In many areas you’ll find that ACTUAL productivity matters far less than perceived productivity.
And it’s easier to perceived productivity when you can walk a floor and see people work as you walk by.
This is 100% true and I had to learn it the hard way; perception matters just as much, if not more than getting the job done.
As a manager who WFH, if managers are ineffective at their job, it’s either that they suck, or their org structure causes them to suck.
If upper management wants a manager to manage 30 people, of course they will suck.
Keep the team to 8 max so the manager can actually do some hands on technical work as well.
Good, they’ll be left with second rate wage slaves while other companies who trust their employees will be more productive and competitive as a result.
They don’t care. They need to lead/rule over/command people. Second rate or not.
So many don’t understand just how wildly inefficient bureaucratic hierarchies are; what happens isn’t the most profitable thing, it’s the whim of whoever managed to claw their way highest up.
Basically, the decisions are the manifestation of the artificial stupidity of brute force.
Trust. You’re right, it completely comes down to trust. If you can’t trust the people you hire to work without someone looming over them or watching everything they do, then you shouldn’t have hired that person.
Managers are managers because they’re good at playing power games, not because they’re good at their jobs. These games are harder to play if people aren’t there. That’s why they’re so scared.
Some managers are actually really good at resolving conflicts without bias and keeping the team functioning smoothly. In tech at least, people who make things aren’t always that great at interacting with other people.
Of course, the kind of manager I’m talking about doesn’t care how/when/where the work gets done, and they don’t micro-manage.
