Pointing out stupidity is now hateful? News to me, we used to just tell those people to shove it not give them a platform
You have to remember that the people you are replying to are literally delusional.
Conservatives love to convince themselves that everyone else secretly think just like them. Any time someone doesn’t agree with them or they get pushback, they start blaming far-left minority groups. The funniest part is the “Correct the Record” idiocy(It was super pac that existed in 2015-2016 and they think it’s still secretly operating and influencing social media), which is such obvious projection that it’s literally funny. But they’re so stupid they think they’re being subtle…
I don’t hate republicans because I do know some in real life unfortunately and do tolerate their existence. However republicans definitely tend to have less capacity for critical thought. The only intelligent republicans I have known personally have been rich business owners, and I attribute their affiliation with greed/malice instead of stupidity.
You are aware that scientific studies have shown a clear correlation between conservative thinking and lower cognitive ability?
I agree with some conservative positions like Americans have an individual right of freedom. I can and should be able to live my life in manner that I want to without the government forcing me to live it another way. I view things like LGBTQ rights fall under this surprising core conservative belief. Now most conservatives would view it as individual freedom mean they can be a racist bigot and discriminate, but that isn’t individual freedom.
I also agree with the concept of limited government, but from the view that government even in its best state is a necessary evil. It should not govern our everyday lives but it must serve the people. Government isn’t a power, it is a service that ultimately serves the people.
Bro, that’s exactly what liberals want.
The government is a tool to ensure the good will, safety, and prosperity of the people. What we can’t achieve on our own gets done through the collective power of the government.
Liberals aren’t trying to force government on people, they’re trying to ensure that the rights of everyone take precedent over someone’s perceived “right” to discriminate.
some conservative positions like Americans have an individual right of freedom.
That’s not a conservative position. Proof: Conservatives don’t want women to have the freedom to end their pregnancies (or just get basic prenatal care in general apparently). They also don’t want universities to have the freedom to choose who they admit based on race (trying to undo historical racism or to prevent a single race from taking over).
In Florida the conservative government removed the freedom of local government to decide how they handle a great many things from elections (can’t have them using ranked choice voting) to what they teach in schools (e.g. teaching about historical racism).
In other states with conservative governments they are banning books, limiting citizens right to sue for damages, making it harder for minorities to vote, and generally reducing the people’s power to change how their government is run. They’re very anti-democracy lately (it was talked about in the article).
What individual freedoms are liberals trying to take away? The historical record here is vastly in liberals favor.
Heavy immigration hurts wage slaves… Where they are born is not relavent. Cute phrasing on this one BTW… Shows your bias nicely.
Nobody is killing babies. Again phrasing showing bias. Also, if this your ideological position. Get a life.
America first is not a a political idealogy, it is a brain dead position that practically means nothing aka “anything I like is america first!” “Anything you like is communism”
2nd amendment protect rights to own guns, nothing ideological about that. Red herring to get cOseRvatives riled up.
With that said, equal treatment under the law and socially, does indeed stand on its own but it ain’t left right thing IMHO. We can all agree that’s just the right thing to make our society function. Which it currently does not for various reasons.
I’m of the belief police should be disarmed and laws put in place that gun violence of any kind is a minimum 50 year sentence. Select police can be armed, but not everyday peace officers.
You didn’t justify any of those positions. I wouldn’t call most of them good and the only good one of them, “people should be treated equally,” is not at all a value conservatives have. Just ask one about giving trans people basic human dignity.
On the surface personal responsibility and free market, howeverz there is no thing really conservative about it it gets twisted into some perverted way to punk minorities and to obtain preferential government treatment.
For example koch brothers and few other select clowns fundd Prager U… To shill these ideas…
Kuck brothers are some of the largest well fare queens in the US…
They don’t oay much taxes either due to their lobbying.
So I guess none…
If you want a right-leaning platform then go find one with a small, toxic community, heavy censorship and immature leadership.
Find a place of freedom and somehow the majority ends up being considerate and liberal. You can come to your own conclusions about why that is but it seems pretty obvious to me.
I have no clue what either of those things are. Can you provide some more context?
Back in 2016, Hillary had both of those in which people were paid to go online and argue with people who said negative things about her. For example, someone could say “Hillary did X” and people who worked for either CTR or ShareBlue were paid to go and explain how the allegation was incorrect.
hopefully lemmy will not become gab for the left…but it’s a free world!
Gab is actually a Mastodon instance, so you can directly see what people in the Fediverse can/will do to fringe content … defederate
The problem is that outside of tankies, the far left basically wants people taken care of and treated like people and the far right wants certain types of people to not exist (how they want the not exist part to happen is up for some debate amongst the right, but, they still need to be gone and gone quickly)
In a practical sense, you cannot really compare the two.
Yes, there are whackjobs on the left too, but they’re not taken seriously by anyone and not getting prime time TV coverage of their runs for office.
If we get away from practicalities and talk pure theory, then I guess other arguments can be made, but if we’re restricting ourselves to the things as they are now with labels as they’re typically used, the far right is barren as far as intellectualism goes.
I’m a leftie, but I’ve found my beliefs challenged, altered and enriched by debating right wing intellectuals.
It’s possible for two ideas to be equally right and incompatible
I don’t know if I agree that they can be equally right and incompatible. I think there can be shreds of truth scattered throughout different ideas and that you can pick them out and use that to construct an actual truth, though, so I guess I agree with your overall sentiment. I also agree with the fact that open conversation and an exchange of ideas is for the best, but I haven’t found many conservative ideas to hold water under scrutiny even if the conversation is ultimately helpful.
I think there are times when your values dictate your opinion rather than the facts.
There’s a reason logic isn’t what sells cars, skin care and fashion.
We’re emotional creatures.
A strong opposition should help reign in excesses of either side, and we should crave it.
There are ideas that originate on the right and are embraced in the left - universal basic income comes to mind.
There’s a reason logic isn’t what sells cars, skin care and fashion.
Two things:
- Yes it does. It sells a lot of cars, skin care, and fashion. Just look at the sales numbers for off-brand, never-advertised cosmetics (e.g. Walmart’s Equate), generic clothes (which outsell brands by enormous amounts every year), and why it’s incredibly difficult to actually buy a new electric car right now (they’re sold out everywhere; enormous waiting lists).
- Those things aren’t government! Running a government based on feelings is likely the worst possible way for a democracy to govern itself. It’s also the worst possible way to select a candidate! Look at they’re policies and their history and especially the outcomes of their policies. Both the likely outcomes (researched by fact-based organizations that study such things) and the historic outcomes. Then select a candidate.
Aside: To this day it still baffles me that conservatives are still pushing abstinence-only education when study after study has shown conclusively that such programs increase teen pregnancy rates, STD transmission rates, and are overall very bad for society at large. Like, I get that you think your daughter will be fine without comprehensive sex ed but do you think the same of the kids down the street?
If you’re trying to say that liberals are trying to sell government based on science and reason while conservatives are trying to sell government based on feelings and faith, I’d agree with you.
I’ve had multiple conversations with very smart traditional conservatives who argue for personal freedom and often libertarian economic foundations (although I think they are very wrong). However none of the ones I respect identify with the right wing movements in the US and UK (and other countries) over the recent years.
So while I agree with you, I think this post is trying to say “the current popular right wing movement”.
What a horrendous take
Reality is definitely something the conserved brain cannot handle. Cracking open that tin can is sure to relieve some of that debilitating pressure bearing down on the logic of basically any situation. In my exerience not one conservative has a good argument about their viewpoints, as their viewpoints are grandfathered in and pasted over their ability for compassion, logic and critical thinking. If the world weren’t in the hands of people using dumb conservatives to rob and maintain wealth, it would be classified as a mental illness akin to schizophrenia.
“Everybody I disagree with is a dumbass.” Thankfully, the world is more complex than that.
Regressivisim is a disordered way of political thinking that has gone global. There’s plenty of historical evidence of political thinking that is downright terrible and has been shown to be so. Many people supported these systems at the times too. It never made them right.
It’s also much less in the US. ~65% of people don’t support regressive policies. Who turns out to vote, the electoral college, lack of actual proportional allocation of the House of Representatives, and many other things present problems where regressivism can succeed despite the large majority of people not wanting it.
