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what do you mean?

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Is it hateful, or just critical?

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This type of article is just absolute garbage

Fucking salon Jesus Christ

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ah, there’s the victimhood the article spoke of

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Poe’s law my dude.

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It’s hateful? How exactly?

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You are aware that scientific studies have shown a clear correlation between conservative thinking and lower cognitive ability?

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Pointing out stupidity is now hateful? News to me, we used to just tell those people to shove it not give them a platform

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You have to remember that the people you are replying to are literally delusional.

Conservatives love to convince themselves that everyone else secretly think just like them. Any time someone doesn’t agree with them or they get pushback, they start blaming far-left minority groups. The funniest part is the “Correct the Record” idiocy(It was super pac that existed in 2015-2016 and they think it’s still secretly operating and influencing social media), which is such obvious projection that it’s literally funny. But they’re so stupid they think they’re being subtle…

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Pointing out stupidity is now hateful?

Sounds like the “are statistics hateful” rethoric

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I don’t hate republicans because I do know some in real life unfortunately and do tolerate their existence. However republicans definitely tend to have less capacity for critical thought. The only intelligent republicans I have known personally have been rich business owners, and I attribute their affiliation with greed/malice instead of stupidity.

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I have no clue what either of those things are. Can you provide some more context?

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Back in 2016, Hillary had both of those in which people were paid to go online and argue with people who said negative things about her. For example, someone could say “Hillary did X” and people who worked for either CTR or ShareBlue were paid to go and explain how the allegation was incorrect.

Wikipedia probably explains it better.

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Whatever else happens on this whole entire thread, may I just offer kudos to YOU for linking to an actual wikipedia article:-).

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Seconding u/openStars, the amount of blue text in this thread is too damn low

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So what’s one good conservative position?

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On the surface personal responsibility and free market, howeverz there is no thing really conservative about it it gets twisted into some perverted way to punk minorities and to obtain preferential government treatment.

For example koch brothers and few other select clowns fundd Prager U… To shill these ideas…

Kuck brothers are some of the largest well fare queens in the US…

They don’t oay much taxes either due to their lobbying.

So I guess none…

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You didn’t justify any of those positions. I wouldn’t call most of them good and the only good one of them, “people should be treated equally,” is not at all a value conservatives have. Just ask one about giving trans people basic human dignity.

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You know people can actually see conservatives actions when it comes to these positions and know you are lying?

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I’m of the belief police should be disarmed and laws put in place that gun violence of any kind is a minimum 50 year sentence. Select police can be armed, but not everyday peace officers.

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Heavy immigration hurts wage slaves… Where they are born is not relavent. Cute phrasing on this one BTW… Shows your bias nicely.

Nobody is killing babies. Again phrasing showing bias. Also, if this your ideological position. Get a life.

America first is not a a political idealogy, it is a brain dead position that practically means nothing aka “anything I like is america first!” “Anything you like is communism”

2nd amendment protect rights to own guns, nothing ideological about that. Red herring to get cOseRvatives riled up.

With that said, equal treatment under the law and socially, does indeed stand on its own but it ain’t left right thing IMHO. We can all agree that’s just the right thing to make our society function. Which it currently does not for various reasons.

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I mean 2 for 5 ain’t too bad I guess. I’m out here trying to defend you fucks and you come out with this idiocy.

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I agree with some conservative positions like Americans have an individual right of freedom. I can and should be able to live my life in manner that I want to without the government forcing me to live it another way. I view things like LGBTQ rights fall under this surprising core conservative belief. Now most conservatives would view it as individual freedom mean they can be a racist bigot and discriminate, but that isn’t individual freedom.

I also agree with the concept of limited government, but from the view that government even in its best state is a necessary evil. It should not govern our everyday lives but it must serve the people. Government isn’t a power, it is a service that ultimately serves the people.

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Bro, that’s exactly what liberals want.

The government is a tool to ensure the good will, safety, and prosperity of the people. What we can’t achieve on our own gets done through the collective power of the government.

Liberals aren’t trying to force government on people, they’re trying to ensure that the rights of everyone take precedent over someone’s perceived “right” to discriminate.

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some conservative positions like Americans have an individual right of freedom.

That’s not a conservative position. Proof: Conservatives don’t want women to have the freedom to end their pregnancies (or just get basic prenatal care in general apparently). They also don’t want universities to have the freedom to choose who they admit based on race (trying to undo historical racism or to prevent a single race from taking over).

In Florida the conservative government removed the freedom of local government to decide how they handle a great many things from elections (can’t have them using ranked choice voting) to what they teach in schools (e.g. teaching about historical racism).

In other states with conservative governments they are banning books, limiting citizens right to sue for damages, making it harder for minorities to vote, and generally reducing the people’s power to change how their government is run. They’re very anti-democracy lately (it was talked about in the article).

What individual freedoms are liberals trying to take away? The historical record here is vastly in liberals favor.

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If you want a right-leaning platform then go find one with a small, toxic community, heavy censorship and immature leadership.

Find a place of freedom and somehow the majority ends up being considerate and liberal. You can come to your own conclusions about why that is but it seems pretty obvious to me.

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right-wing imprints in recent years are almost invariably distinguished by their numbing sameness: a shrill cry of victimhood, a hunt for scapegoats, a tone that alternates between hysteria and heavy sarcasm, and a recipe for salvation

Man this rings true for my experience growing up in a conservative area

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What a horrendous take

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Reality is definitely something the conserved brain cannot handle. Cracking open that tin can is sure to relieve some of that debilitating pressure bearing down on the logic of basically any situation. In my exerience not one conservative has a good argument about their viewpoints, as their viewpoints are grandfathered in and pasted over their ability for compassion, logic and critical thinking. If the world weren’t in the hands of people using dumb conservatives to rob and maintain wealth, it would be classified as a mental illness akin to schizophrenia.

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Well not every intellectual was born in the past century. Virtually all of these would be conservative based on our modern values. Virtually no one 100 or 200 years ago would have been in favor of gay marriage. There were plenty intellectuals 100 and 200years ago.

So, no.

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“People that don’t agree with me are dummyheads! Wah!!!”

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While I do agree that’s where OP article is going with this…

American right produces fuax intellectuals that are more focused on justifying current regimes existence at any costs. it is not logically congruent or grounded in any sound philosophical underpinnings beyond I am rich, I got mine, slave for low wages BC you are poor and stupid, youare poor stupid BC your parents suck, I am good cuz I gotz money, I am better BC I crawled out of rich womans vagina, look at these tests score, they prove whyte b smart…

American left shares much of similar clown idealogy, although there are some independent thinkers but they end shilling tankie shit which ends with some weird positions just to create opposition to the right

Either way, you can’t have an intelectual discussion within the framework of two party political system and most Americans can’t get over this hurdle.

People always shilling some predetermined point for “their side” this is literally definition of anti intellectualism

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“People that want others to exist peacefully and be able to love who they love are dummyheads! Wah!!!”

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There absolutely are conservative intellectuals, they just don’t tend to endorse MAGA.

Here’s a great example: https://scholars-stage.org/ Knocks it out of the park all the time. Then again, he rarely spends his time talking directly about culture war topics.

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It regretfully doesn’t matter how intellectual they are if the two-party system forces them to let their anti-intellectual minorities run the party. Once a governing body decides that keeping power away from “the other team” is more important than their principles, they cease to have the merit of those principles. Middle of the road negotiation simply ceases to exist. Either you have an overwhelming majority and don’t need the other party’s consent, or you have a narrow majority and policy making gets held hostage by the most belligerent minority faction within the party. When that belligerent faction is anti-intellectual, the result is the current shitshow.

Since American politics are right-leaning on the Overton window, that makes both parties more susceptible to getting kneecapped by their most right-leaning belligerents when they hold a narrow majority. A narrow Republican majority gets kneecapped by the Freedom Caucus, and a narrow Democrat majority gets kneecapped by the likes of Sinema and Manchin.

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You… know it’s possible to be a conservative without being a Republican, right?

If you want to say there are no politically relevant conservative intellectuals, that I would agree with. the Republican party is currently dominated by grifters, so anyone involved is going to be doing a lot of shoddy post-hoc justifications. But to say that being conservative of any stripe bars one from actually thinking deeply and critically is narrow minded.

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You… know it’s possible to be a conservative without being a Republican, right?

If you want to say there are no politically relevant conservative intellectuals, that I would agree with.

Agreed on both counts, yes.

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