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Good. We don’t need more religion interfering with people’s life.

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Great news for all women and Europe

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Another step towards criminalizing Muslims. They are a convenient scapegoat for the fascists and libs to channel the anger and hate away from themselves and towards marginalized groups.

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No, like already pointed out, in France, Religion has no place in schools. This has nothing directly to do with muslims

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Secularism is not the motivation behind this. If it was, this law would have already been on the books for centuries. But Islamophobia is a great way to get the racist vote right now.

I you believe this has nothing to do with Muslims, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

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The law has already been in the books for one century. Laïcity is the removal of any religious sign from schools and is one of the pillars of the French Republic. Yet, recently France failed to enforce it and that’s why explicit stances are taken now, which looks bad of course but it is a necessary course correction.

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Man, I’m Belgian and France is one of the most racist countries I know.

These laws are always targeted at the same people but always wrapped in a layer of good intentions and nationalism.

All these laws are doing is making the divide between people bigger.

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The problem with religious clothing is that the more people who wear it, the more pressure can be put on children to wear it or stand out/be condemned. It gets worse when the clothing is gender-specific.

It also puts children in a situation where their religious background can be seen from afar, making them Christian/Muslim/Jew etc. first and citizen second, when in a secularised country it should always be the other way round.

It is twice as bad when teachers wear religious clothing, because how can you not wear it if your teacher is wearing it. And when children wear religious clothing and have to defend wearing it, they get into a situation where they may have to defend it and wear it and even be part of peer pressure because there is no way out, you are either pushed from one side or the other and many choose to then rather push themselves.

Religious freedom is a double-edged sword: Freedom to live your religion, but also the freedom to live without religion, and especially children who are brought up in a religious family need the school as a place where religion isn’t a thing, so that they have a place to even think about what it feels like to live without it. Religion needs to be a personal choice and only if you have a place to check what it means to be without it you can choose.

If your religion can not give children a place to be without it so they can then freely choose, there is something severely wrong with that religion. Unfortunately I have yet to find a religion that does allow it.

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I can understand you thought process buts its more of a Theoretic then this happening in Realf Life in many Families they do not care that much about it.

Kids only wear it if they are Praying or after getting older.

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how can you not wear it if your teacher is wearing it

What logic is this? Just make everyone know that a school is a safe space where nobody is made to wear or not wear anything unless it’s offensive (such as profane, racist or too revealing).

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You want uniforms?

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…Also I was in a school with a strict dress code (light shirts only with no print) as well as one where a “MOTHERFUCKER” hoodie was apparently permitted. I don’t really care either way but I don’t see how prohibiting religious attire would help.

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I literally said that nobody is [forced] to wear or not wear anything […] - as in “total freedom unless offensive”. You’re implying I said the opposite.

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Because a teacher is a role model and if your teacher is a role model for religion in a place that should be the one place free from it, then that’s not working.
School can only be a safe place for children to take a breath from a religious background if religion stays completely out of it.
You think it can be a safe space when the girl gets told by its parents “look the teacher is wearing this, so you need too” even if the teacher isn’t saying it?

Unfortunately religious clothing isn’t just clothing like every other and religions of this world (not just one specific) are not about safe spaces, they want to be everywhere and they want to occupy school too. A secular country can not allow that.

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a teacher is a role model

Maybe in primary school but not really since middle school.

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Problem is, the “unless” part is different for everyone. Lot of people find religious stuff offensive, while the revealing stuff not.

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France has enforced a strict ban on religious signs at schools since the 19th Century, including Christian symbols such as large crosses, in an effort to curb any Catholic influence from public education.

It has been updating the law over the years to reflect its changing population, which now includes the Muslim headscarf and Jewish kippa, but abayas have not been banned outright.

So going by the article, some religious clothing is outright banned while crosses are allowed as long as they are not large?

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All crosses are banned. Totally unacceptable. Source: I’m a 20yo french.

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you forgot the /s

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I didn’t forget shit.

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What about heavy metal band shirts with an upside-down cross on it?

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Hm. Not sure about school, because I have little reason to go there. But I certainly have shirts that are work or grandma unfriendly, or that I would only wear around devote christians I trust. With that, I wouldn’t be opposed with a ban for shirts that are created to offend specific religions. It’s a different side of a very similar coin.

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