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Fascist governments got to fascist.

Targeting the LGBTQ+ population and eroding their rights and making it a focus during a time of an international cost of living crisis, is a tried and true practice of the right wing to hide their incompetence in governing and in matters of economy.

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and then people ask me, an Italian, why I want to leave this country asap

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Unfortunately, the places where you can go are an ever-decreasing list. Some Nordic countries, a few EU ones, that’s about it. Fascism is growing into a majority in literally the rest of the world.

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Not really

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More neo liberalism but it’s not all doom and gloom, progress marches on.

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A lot of people are being very hyperbolic

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It certainly is in Europe and is only going to get worse as resource wars intensify in Africa more will flee to Europe pushing the public to the right as their resources are spread thinner and thinner.

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Fascism is not growing anywhere. But a lot of “lefties” behave like fascists for sure, so people turn away from anything that smells left.

On the other hand, modern definition of left includes authorisation ideologies and regimes, so no wonder that happens.

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Please back up any of what you said with facts

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This comment is making it very hard to follow my personal lemmy rule which states that I should not just comment ‘you are a fucking idiot’.

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I also have a Swedish citizenship so I always thought of going there but now they also have a right government. the list is getting thinner. Also my job doesn’t have that many good places I can ask a transfer too. too bad.

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The way italy is going, they’re trying to be mussolini all over again.

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Rabbitszz

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That’s disgusting.

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Here’s this thing that doesn’t affect me at all in any way but I kinda think is weird, so let me crush the spirit of a minority that already gets treated like shit?

Man some people suck so much.

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It’s all political, for all their talk about the traditional family, Meloni had a child outside of marriage, and Salvini is divorced.

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Any historians care to explain why Italy jumps to fascism so quickly?

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Not a historian but their location makes it easy to scapegoat people so fascists can rise to power

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Why does their location make it easy to scapegoat people?

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Edge of Europe bordering Africa and it’s aspiring immigrants. Italy is often the first stop for immigrant boats, and on-shoring desperate people. All a right wing government has to do is point to those people and say how they are going to destroy everything you know. Rinse repeat, voila fascism.

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Is it Italy? Or is it just humans?

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I choose not to believe that is humans natural path.

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You can deny it, but have you really thought about it.

Think about American Politics. “Well conservatives are just fascists.” Sure, I mean there’s the party that wants to control what people say, Cancelling them if they ever said anything they don’t like. Want to remove all rights from people in specific parties, and mandate how others act at all times… and then there’s the republicans which are also clearly fascists.

I’m not trying to say “Republicans are better than Democrats” they’re not, they’re clearly not. But Democrats aren’t that good either. It’s a problem with a desire to control others and when one party wins, they should feel they have a mandate to GOVERN but instead there’s a feeling they have a mandate to RULE or CONTROL. Luckily most politicians are somewhat sane about this, but god damn, some of the die hards on both sides have lost their mind.

Power corrupts, and Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. That’s kind of a fact of being human.

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Not a historian, nor Italian, so double check me on this, but a big part of the “why” is that the facists were never removed from Italy. They’ve just been kind of allowed to fester since 1946. I mean, Germany didn’t really get rid of their facists either, but the Italian facist movement was basically unscathed. Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI) was founded in 1946 by Facists literally from Mussolini’s party, and maintained relevance by making political alliances with other, more moderate conservative parties.

Some facists just straight up joined the Liberal parties. Fernando Tambroni, Christian Democratic Prime Minister of Italy for 116 days in 1960, for instance, was a Facist Party member during the war, and was quite the fan of Mussolini. The subsequent Prime Minister, Christian Democrat Party leader, Amintore Fanfani, who served five non-consecutive terms as PM, was also a member of the Facist Party.

In the 90s other facist parties, particularly Forza Italia, and Alleanza Nazionale were spun off from MSI and basically wore a better better mask, and managed to get Berlusconi, also a Mussolini Stan, in as PM.

We could continue doing pointing out facists in powerful positions in Italian politics, and we skipped the whole “decades of facist terrorism” thing, but really the reason Italy jumped to fascism is because it has been there the whole time, and has had power semi-regularly.

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How come most Italian names sound badass?

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Italy had a strong communist presence since forever, after WWI fascism was supported by the elite to counter that, and after WWII it was supported by the “liberators”, the US, for obvious reasons.

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