Image description: meme with the “so true” soyjak meme format.

Panel one: flag of zionist entity, soyjak who represents trans people, the pride flag, Palestine maoists?, Sockdems, Ieland says: Fuck off! I don’t believe in this zionist imperialist nonsense.

Panel two: kurdish flag, same soy from earlier: omg! Wholesome “indigenous” self determination!

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There’s a big difference between wanting self-determination on a territory where you’re already the majority and wanting to colonize a territory and displace it’s current inhabitants under the pretext that your ancestors once lived there


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displace it’s current inhabitants under the pretext that your ancestors once lived there

Right of return for second gen Palestinian refugees btfo

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Fucking libs using the Barzani flag to represent the Kurdish struggle smh Barzani can get fucked

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??? Those two are not even nearly comparable.

And we also do criticise Kurdish fuckups like the ethnic cleansing of Assyrians or Rojava being tool of USA.

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Ethnic cleansing? Thats a new one. I’ve only seen the stuff for the USA funding. Can I see some things on it? Doesn’t sound out of bounds for a US funded paramilitary group, but my knowledge on this is minimal.

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Kurds joined the Turkish genocide of Armenians and the Arab genocide of Assyrians. This however has nothing to do with PKK or Rojava

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I remember reading about it on GenZedong around year or two ago, that some Kurd fighters were expelling Assyrian communities in north Iraq. Don’t remember it have anything to do with the ones being funded by USA or were those the others. Tensions between Kurds and Assyrians are overall long running issue, with the most infamous episode being 1933 Simele massacre.

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Interesting question, but due to its extreme importance to Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, some of the largest religions the worlds, and the extreme mellenia long dispute between those groups over control of the city; after Palestine is return as a whole entity, would it make sense to isolate Jerusalem as its own independent city state? Or maybe even an international zone administered by the UN?

Thoughts on something like that?

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There are a lot of places which might deserve similar treatment. I don’t see a reason to deprive Palestinians of their most important city. I also worry this argument plays into the idea that without international oversight, people in Palestine can’t get along with each other. They did before our interference, and they will do so again once real justice has been done. Just my two cents.

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I never did say that this should only apply to Jerusalem, I would be perfectly willing to extend this idea to other massively important cultural sites.

Also I’m not saying that the city would be completely independent of Palestine, or that it would be treated like a separate country, but moreso that the city basically becomes an “Open city” not divided up, controlled by any one faith, or used as a political bargaining chip, and that it’s ultimately authority would be a third party non-beholden to its own biases or agendas. (I just use the UN as an example, I wish there was a better choice)

I’m not saying that conflict is sure to happen and, that it’s impossible for Palestine to figure it out, but why risk it? It’s an extremely hot issue that can lead to a lot of extreme conflict, so why not try to stem that before it has a chance to occur?

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What would be the difference between being part of a free and fair Palestine and this “open city” idea of yours? Because the concept of a free and fair Palestine is built on the foundation that people are treated equally regardless of their faith.

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