“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.

Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia could have a right to go to war with NATO.

140 points

I wonder… does medvedev have enough wits left to understand that if Russia has that right… then everyone … has that right?

They’re finding Ukraine difficult enough. Sure we’re sharing some toys (a lot of toys)… but they don’t have carriers or attack subs or missile destroyers…

Threatening nato is not a sane decision to make. We might just take them at their word.

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The toys we’re sharing are our older toys from the 80s and 90s even. Its not even the more deadly stuff we have…and they’re fighting against a force that’s getting a few weeks training on these toys and sent out into the field. If russia truly wants a 72 hour war…all it would need to do is attack NATO.

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Yeah, Ukraine is excited about maybe getting some F-16s and how much that could help with the air war and meanwhile a couple of F-22s could take down a whole squadron of them.

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A squadron of f-22s could take down most air forces.

An air wing could probably beat all other air forces combined, with the possible exception of china, though damn they would need to figure out how to keep reloaded.

The USAF is the strongest air force in the world.

The second strongest is the US navy Air wing.

Think the marines are 4.

Edit: this is an old listing, and russia was #3, so I think we actually have the trifecta.

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5 points

Is the F-22 that much more capable?

What about the F-35? Did its issues ever get resolved?

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17 points

72? Pretty generous. I’m pretty sure we have more HARM missiles than they do S400 SAM batteries.

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It’s not the war, it’s the keeping.

In any case, we’d probably bog down around the same time China and everyone else on that side got involved. I don’t think it would be as clean or as quick. But, yeah. We could definitely screw them pretty harshly without ever landing troops

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There’s also the option that it’s going to be a 30-ish minute war. 50-ish if the other side manages to get their counter value force airborne.

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Or the big guns. If they start attacking the nuclear powers, things are going to get very spicy very quickly.

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America is not giving Ukraine the most advanced weapons and that is stopping Russia.

Imagine if America used their pre advanced weapons.

It’s posturing. Russia wants to look tough. They’re a paper tiger.

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Total posturing. A few hundred of these would end the war overnight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM

These aren’t even classified. Poland and Finland have them, today.

Ukraine is keeping Russia in check with cardboard launched grenades. It’s pretty amazing, honestly; both how innovative Ukraine has been under duress with almost nothing, and how bad Russia has performed in this mess they’ve dumped themselves in.

A few too many toes over NATO lines would decapitate the Kremlin, probably before anything could be done in response.

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I have been highly impressed with the Ukrainian spirit and ingenuity.

I have also been surprised at what a cluster fuck Russia has been on the battlefield. I expected them to perform better than they did. It shows how much they have declined from being a super power.

The only issue I have is Russia has nukes and Putin is dumb enough to use them.

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I just don’t understand why the americans can’t decide their stance while sitting on these wonderful advanced weapons. Either give Ukraine enough equipment to win or tell them to get lost and give up territory in exchange for peace. One risks escalation with Russia or if things go too well collapse of russia, the other risks discrediting the rules based international order (lmao).

But the status quo with delayed/half assed aid shipments is costing thousands of Ukrainian (and Russian, but who cares lol) soldiers’ lives for pretty dam questionable outcomes.

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And at full scale. This is definitely typical Russian posturing, ie total bullshit that everyone knows is bullshit but they say it anyway.

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He is a puppet. It’s hard to think with Putins hand so far up your ass.

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83 points

Good news then: If you go to war with one NATO member you get war with the rest of them absolutely free!

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For 4 Easy payments of 19.95 you too can get your shit pushed in by 31 different countries, with the added bonus of having someone else raise your children.

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They have the right to, but not the capability

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And we’ve seen what third tier NATO gear did to Russia. Wait until they see the second string stuff.

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not to mention russia spent the whole time complaining about NATO helping ukraine

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66 points

Can’t even take on Ukraine, you want to come at every other western country? Lol

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Russia is the irritating kid down the street who just broke his nerf gun so he’s threatening to throw the darts at you instead and tell his mom you’re not invited to his birthday party…

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Maxim Katz has explained that these kinds of deranged declarations are not directed at us. They are a kind of symbolic self-humiliation of Medvedev to prove to Putin that he is still loyal. It’s “look I am willing to appear so wretched and ridiculous to the foreigners, I could not possibly be a threat to you, I am not some kind of alternative that could replace you, I am such a silly man, please don’t throw me out of a window”.

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Speculation runs that Dimi has been told by the Tsar that if he acts like the tough guy he isn’t with enough bravado, he’ll be allowed to sit in the big boys’ chair and pretend to be president again.

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Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you

Because we all know the Soviet Union and Russia are exactly the same thing and the Russian military is definitely as powerful and as capable as the Soviet Union, no doubt. Please pay no attention to the complete lack of victory in Ukraine.

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When has either the Soviet Union or Russia “won” anything in the last 150 years?

Their “win” in WWII was throwing as many bodies as possible and starving their own cities to delay the Germans long enough for winter to set in.

Soviet casualties were 4.5x higher than Axis casualties in operation Barbarossa. They lost 21k aircraft to 2800 for the Germans. 20k tanks destroyed vs 2700 for the Germans. And 4.5 million casualties compared to 1 million for the Germans.

I wouldn’t call that “burying” anyone. The biggest effect it had was weakening the Germans enough for the Allies to finish the job on the Western Front and bail the Soviets out.

The Soviets lost in Afghanistan in the 80s because of the US funding the Mujahideen.

Their biggest victory in the last century was taking Crimea because nobody else stepped up to help Ukraine like we are now.

Russia has nukes. That’s it. Beyond that they’re worthless militarily.

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Hey, now. If not the capabilities of the soviets, at least they’re still using the same tech.

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Russia doesn’t need a victory, it needs a long running war. Because this war is bringing Russia shitloads of money.

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Ah yes it’s making Russia so much money which is why their economy is in perfect condition and the ruble is worth more than ever!

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I think they’re at least partially right, Russia’s strategy appears to be throw as many men at the problem to keep the front line stalemate going in the hopes the Western donations eventually dry up, then throw even more men at Ukraine until they can win. An obvious pyrrhic victory to most, but when did hundreds of thousands of deaths and a decimated economy ever trump expansionism for Putin and his cronies?

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Ruble worth is irrelevant, especially since they don’t neeed to buy stuff from EU and US anymore. But Russian economy is in a healthy state.

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Is that why they now talk about war with NATO? So they get even richer?

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No, they just talk bullshit to score points with Russian sheeple. But that doesn’t mean Putin’s regime needs a victory.

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Lol

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Lol what?

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