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The entire “different time” excuse is meant to apply to media, not people! Most texts written in the 1700s that include references to people of color are probably going to at least use outdated language, if not straight up racist perspectives, but because it was a different time you’re supposed to acknowledge that it can still impart valuable ideas so long as you take it in context. Taking that scholarly technique and trying to apply it to crotchety assholes real people spouting hate makes me want to explode
seizes excuse with all paws and extra-bitey jaws Oh, oh, is it time to talk about “crazy” and “insane” and “dude” and “guy” and “bro?” And apparently we also still have to mention that the r-slur and “ree” are ableist shit too?
…Am seriously fed up with people who seem to know very few words and all of them inappropriate. And yes, treating everyone like a male buddy is inappropriate. And yes, “crazy” still clearly has its association with mental illness. While many people obviously think it means literally anything at any time in any context they also still call people that as a way of suggesting a person’s got mental problems.
I expect I’ll get trolled for this (as always, 'cause people absolutely cannot stand being asked to change or even consider their own behaviour) but I’m sick of how bad this place is about gendered language and slurs in particular, to the point where I assume somecritter I otherwise respect is gonna misgender me and I’ll just immediately delete my account and be done with this place altogether.
Anyway, that’s my lil tiny rant about some of the lack of care I see floating around, which reminds me to point out that it’s not the words that cause problems (outside of straight-up slurs, anyway) but rather how they’re used. Some seem to think there’s some constantly-changing list of banned words but “don’t call me that” means “don’t call me that,” not “you’re going to gaol for not having the latest word list.”
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This is completely a tangent but Walk on the Wild Side by Lou Reed is a good example of media that is “of it’s time” but had good intentions. He uses a lot of outdated terminology for trans people, but he was dating and living with a trans woman at the time. As well, he uses the term “coloured girls” for his backup singers. But that’s because he was drawing attention to them. He paid his singers proper wages which was a big deal at the time, and was drawing attention to their presence in music in a subversive way.
Yes, louder!
Someone elsewhere in this thread is suggesting that we’re all obstinate and inherently resistant to change, but … I can’t relate.
The ability to learn from our missteps and prejudices, and subsequently change and grow, is a hallmark of being human. It’s not about education, either. I’ve known people who only went through grade 3 who are not so destructively stubborn. It doesn’t seem like any way to live to tear other people down because I encounter something new to me.
Not sure which post you’re talking about, but in general, yeah. Any kind of excusing of transphobia is 100% not tolerated here. I’m not a mod of this particular community, but please use the report button if you see anything like this happening.
I did report it. The problem is many of these arguments come clothed in the fabric of politeness. Similar to how white nationalists have tried to persuade me by calling me “brother” and speaking kindly, it might not be immediately apparent to someone why these arguments are harmful. After all, the person is being “polite,” and the person who responds appropriately often seems like the unhinged one.
It’s by design.
yaps loudly in agreement about how fucked it is that people pointing out a problem get blamed for being the real problem by privileged asshats!
Avoiding “bad words” and “hostility” doesn’t mean a person is good or nice. Sometimes hostility is justified or at the very least has a point.
I did report it. The problem is many of these arguments come clothed in the fabric of politeness.
Yup. And Beehaw is already doing the thing I predicted they’d do back during the Reddit blackouts: They allow polite genocide endorsements but warn/suspend/ban people who tell those people to fuck themselves because we’re not “being nice”. Shocked Pikachu when Beehaw ends up being no different from shit-just-works.
They allow polite genocide endorsements but warn/suspend/ban people who tell those people to fuck themselves because we’re not “being nice”.
if you were going to make this argument and sustain it i’m not sure this thread supports your argument. there are like 20 comments in here telling transphobes to go fuck themselves and exactly one actual ban has been levied total (against a transphobe)
return rant incoming:
i’m glad it’s you saying this, and not me. i think it’s important to say, but i cannot handle all the bullshit hot takes that i would have to deal with afterwards.
i cannot stand when people tell me to try to be nicer, say it in a gentler, more pleasing manner, try to be more considerate of others feelings, maybe try wearing some nice clothes or makeup so that i feel more confident. i do all of those things in my day to day life, and it works. that’s kind of the problem. it’s expected of me, a woman, to speak or act a certain way. if i behave in a way that is not matching ppls’ invisible expectations of how a woman should behave, they get very uncomfortable with me. on the internet, it translates to ppl thinking it’s their business to tell me what to do :) i am pretty sure that if i were to write this same post in a “feminine-sounding” way, the reaction would be different (IMO in a bad way).
it also pisses me off when i come across ppl who think of life as a game that needs to be won. the moment i show any amount of emotional or passionate speech, i lose - my words become invalidated because i am expressive, therefore i cannot control myself? i don’t really get it. i think there’s a good number of people on the internet who take pride in holding back their emotions. i guess public display of emotion is shameful for them? basically anytime i say anything passionate online, ppl think it’s their duty to convince me that i’m wrong LOL
my family members are purposefully ignorant towards LGBTQ+ and i’m terrified that they’ll say something hateful in public. for now, i’m trying my best to hate the behavior, not the human.
Did it…? Peace talks definitely didn’t, but if “that ^” had been enough, there wouldn’t’ve been proud “ex-nazis” 30 years later, or any modern neo-nazis.
I don’t think we’ve found an effective way yet.
Not to mention the fact that Nazism thrived on the devastation wrought by Germany’s defeat in 1918.
And It wasn’t the World War II that broke the cycle of wars in the heart of Europe (WWI was consequence of the war in 1870). It was the project to build a peaceful European union.
Thank you for making this post so we don’t have to.
Transwomen are women. Transmen are men. Bi-sexual people are valid and shall not be erased.
We stand with our brothers and sisters.
