55 points
*

It’s actually:

  1. US 42.8 bn

  2. Germany 7.5 bn

  3. UK 6.6 bn

  4. EU Institutions 5.6 bn

  5. Poland 3 bn

(This list is military aid only.)

Getting a bit tired of the Poland strong propaganda.
Source: Ukraine Support Tracker, ifw Kiel.

permalink
report
reply
2 points

Idc, I could die for the glory of Poland

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

POLSKA GÓRĄ 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱

permalink
report
parent
reply
41 points

Do you also believe a flat tax is fair?

Country, Spend, GDP, % of GDP

Poland, 3, 679.4, 0.44%

US, 42.8, 23320, 0.18%

Germany, 7.5, 4260, 0.18%

UK, 6.6, 3131, 0.21%

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Do you also believe a flat tax is fair?

I think you might be looking for the term “head tax”, as in each person pays a fixed amount regardless of any other characteristics.

permalink
report
parent
reply
24 points

Then Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would be top three in that order with Poland only paying half as much in %GDP as Estonia

permalink
report
parent
reply
22 points

Estonia 💪💪💪💪💪💪

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points

Baltics have special hatred on vatniks

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

It’s an old comic dude. Also you’re missing the joke as well as any historical context.

Poland has been through the wringer for centuries and even ceased existing for a while. Having some issues and hating Russia are some of the least unlikely results.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Ok

permalink
report
parent
reply
11 points
*

This is military aid only.

Yes, it literally says “Military aid” at the top

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

Edited my comment to clarify that I meant my list. Overall aid would look different US > EU > UK > Germany > Japan > Canada > Poland

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points
*

Also the EU funds are mainly paid for by the net-payers in the EU Like france, Germany etc.

Also the estimated value for the old polish Tank that we’re transfered was weirdly high

permalink
report
parent
reply
14 points

Were doing what we can. I wouldn’t call it propaganda. Please also consider each country GDP. Everyone have limited resources. Poland GDP is 5 times smaller than Germany or Japan and 36 times smaller than US

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Well it is when the piss party is trying to convince everyone that Poland is the only country in the EU really helping, especially vs Germany.

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

The US also is kind of built up to be able to almost single handedly be NATO. Our defensive strategies involve using EU countries as bases. We have a vastly different goal with our military stockpiles. (Other than making defense contractors money I mean.)

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

They’re probably old numbers in the comic. Do you have per capita aid figures? Rough calculations say

US $130/p

Germany $90/p

UK $99/p

EU Institutions $13/p (this one is weird since countries are also contributing separately?)

Poland $79/p

Aid as a share of GDP would also be interesting.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

On the source website there is quite a bit more. The EU stuff is funded by a share of approximately .2 % of GDP by all EU members in addition to their individual aid.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

You mind linking it? I’d love to take a look.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

It probably swings back toward the scenario depicted if you divide the amount given by the total amount that those countries have available to give, but yeah, good to keep real figures in mind while we have our fun.

permalink
report
parent
reply
-16 points

I’d love “America First”, if it was about giving aid to all the hungry homeless Americans instead of paying other nations to blow shit up or to fufill a religious prophecy…

Sadly it’s just a Racist Dogwhistle

permalink
report
reply
4 points

Oh look it’s another tankie bootlicker using strawman arguments.

Everyone feel free to point and laugh.

permalink
report
parent
reply
-3 points
*

I’m not a tankie… I just want single payer healthcare

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

Then you are massively uniformed and need to read a history book or shut up.

Not opposing Putin would cost FAR more in the long term.

Also…

Most of the equipment is obsolete or excess stock.

A lot of the financial aid is under the lend lease program meaning Ukraine has to pay a percentage back.

The US subsides the oil industry to the tune of $20 billion a year, so how about you start there.

I’m not big on war but Putin needs to be stopped and while it is costing us in the west some money. It’s costing Ukrainians their lives.

So show a little fucking gratitude.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

I just want single payer healthcare

That would cost less than what is spent now. So why pretend it is blocked by unrelated topics?

permalink
report
parent
reply
11 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

Some shit needs to be blown up, like genocidal invaders.

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points
*

Poland being based as always

permalink
report
reply
17 points

Poland is almost never “based”. Source - am a Pole.

This is the exception, solidarity with Ukraine.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Oh sorry to hear that :-/ I forgot I wasn’t on r/2visegrad4you

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Can confirm. I’m a Pole too.

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

They don’t really send the best stuff, but old stuff that would be decommissioned.

permalink
report
reply
9 points

The amazing part is how the Ukrainian front lines use the old stuff to such great effect. Imagine if they had new stuff like ATACMs?

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Hopefully soon. If they allow atacms, Germany will also give taurus.

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

When “the old stuff we were gonna just sell on eBay” tops the enemy’s “top of the most corrupt line in the world” then that’s really a misleading statement.

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points

Old joke.

Reporter is interviewing a Polish general. "If Poland were to be attacked by Germany and Russia at the same time, which army would you go after first.?’

‘The Germans.’

‘Why?’

‘Business before pleasure.’

permalink
report
reply
13 points

A classic. Along with:

A Polish man finds a genie in a lamp, who gives him three wishes. The Polish man thinks, then says, “I wish the Mongols would pillage their way into Poland, and then go back home to Mongolia.” The genie, confused, complies, and Poland is ravaged by the Mongol hordes.

“Again.” the Polish man says. Dutifully, the genie obeys, sending the Mongols across the steppe to pillage Poland again.

“Again!” the Polish man cries.

The genie complies, but at long last, cannot hold his tongue. “You could have had anything!” the genie says, “Why wish for the Mongols to pillage your own country?”

The Polish man smiles and taps his head. “Ah, but to get to Poland and back to Mongolia, they have to pillage their way through Russia twice.”

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Ooooh, I forgot that one!

permalink
report
parent
reply

NonCredibleDefense

!noncredibledefense@lemmy.world

Create post

Rules:

  1. Posts must abide by lemmy.world terms and conditions
  2. No spam or soliciting for money.
  3. No racism or other bigotry allowed.
  4. Obviously nothing illegal.

If you see these please report them.

Related communities:

Community stats

  • 250

    Monthly active users

  • 437

    Posts

  • 3.3K

    Comments