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I donā€™t follow French politics too closely, but from everything Iā€™ve seen, this guy is absolutely DESPISED by the people. Is he not worried about getting voted out or something? Why does he seem to want to stick his finger in the eyes of the French citizens?

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Heā€™s term-limited anyway. Just hope he doesnā€™t pave the way for Le Pen or some other out and out fascist to take over for him.

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According to the French Constitution, the President cannot serve more than 2 consecutive terms. Macron was elected in 2017 and relected in 2022 (against the far-right candidate) so he canā€™t be candidate in 2027.

Before 2027, there wonā€™t be any meaningful national election in France (European congress in 2024 and municipal elections in 2026).

Also, Macron hasnā€™t the absolute majority at the French national assembly, but there are tools in the Constitution which allow the government to pass laws without a vote. And the opposition is not strong enough to dismiss the government.

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tools in the Constitution which allow the government to pass laws without a vote

That sounded terrible until I realized thatā€™s what the Supreme Court can and just did do in the US with their completely made up Major Questions Doctrine.

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Is he not worried about getting voted out or something? Why does he seem to want to stick his finger in the eyes of the French citizens?

From what little I know of french history, I would be worried about far more than just getting voted out.

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Heā€™s playing the same game US democrats are, where itā€™s either him or a fascist.

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You telling me there is someone worse in France right now?

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Le Pen, yes.

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The French always hate their presidents and most French presidents have had abysmal approval ratings. Itā€™s a national sport, maybe for a reason.

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If I was French and had to pick between Macronā€™s hand-picked successor and Le Pen, I would go insane. Vesting so much power in the presidency can only turn presidents into strongmen.

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There is no reasonable rational analysis where Joe Biden is a fascist lol. Heā€™s a neoliberal and I think he sucks, and I truly wish for a different candidate for the Democratic Party. But there is no comparison there between him and the other guy. Not even the same stratosphere.

I think the worldā€™s nation-states are widely adopting the ā€œlesser-evilā€ faux-choice strategy these days. This is by design

Politics has been an exercise in finding compromise from day 1, thousands of years ago. Any, ANY, system of politics that could reasonably exist, will result in candidates that huge percentages of the country arenā€™t happy about. Now, I would LOVE any ranked voting method for this country to minimize this effect. We definitely donā€™t have an amazing system of politics. But ā€œthis is by designā€ is literally untrue unless you believe in some weird conspiracy thing. The US constitution is mega old, most of itā€™s failures are related to that, imo.

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Why do people always seem to pick the most horrible responses to crises?.. ;-; ~Strawberry

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To my eyes, Macron clearly has some egotistical and authoritarian impulses.

He clearly seems to believe that he knows better than other people, and has little patience for what they want or say.

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Why though? And why do so many people, including many who arenā€™t in power, seem to have similarly awful responses to crises? ~Strawberry

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Those who are meant to lead, choose not to. Those who are not meant to lead, choose to do so.

Never trust someone who wishes to become a leader above you.

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I am glad that there is so much opposition to this within the French government. Because:

  1. The French people have the means and the motivation to continue protesting, and this is going to piss them off.

  2. The authoritarian country I was born in regularly does this during protests but they also have almost full control of the media and telecomms . People, also, have limited choices of social media (because almost everyone uses a cell phone because the power regularly goes out, and some social media apps use a lot of data). A lot of times people donā€™t know that theyā€™ve been cut off until itā€™s already cut.

Iā€™m not saying he is authoritarian but the idea is authoritarian. Macron is clearly panicked, but this is the wildest, and most extreme reaction. Plus, once people get to know of this then they will just create groups on other platforms. This idea is very short sighted.

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This is the point at which the left-wing in France needs to step the fuck up and convince the centrists that the best way to beat the Nazis is not to vote for Diet Nazi.

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There needs to be an alternative to both Macron and Le Pen. I would love to see Macron forced to retire, though considering his authoritarian impulses, it seems unlikely without a vote of misconfidence from parliament.

Note that Iā€™m not super familiar with French political process, so Iā€™m not totally sure how thatā€™d need to play out.

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Vote of misconfidence only gets rid of the government (PM and the other ministers), the president stays in place. Macron already theatened the parliament of dissolution (meaning everyone goes home and we do a parliament election) in case of succesful vite of misconfidence. It doesnā€™t make it impossible but it makes it less likely.

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Sounds pretty authoritarian if you ask me

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I think its a bit more reasonable to say that ā€œthe centrists in France need to step the fuck up and realize that the left is a superior option to Diet Naziā€

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