Mastering? It’s an OS not a skill.
Are really looking down on people because you open the terminal often instead of being able to click something?
I use Mac and also open terminal often. Then again, I’m a software engineer and I have work to do, that doesn’t include trying to troubleshoot problems with my OS.
I’m in the same position. My Linux machine is for gaming and … Interesting tasks that could be hazardous to set up on my Mac.
The hardware quality is sublime as well. However, dailing Linux for a bit and going back to MacOS made me appreciate it more. Homebrew is a hair slow tho 😂
Interesting tasks that could be hazardous to set up on my Mac.
Avast! Nothing interesting to see here mateys. It just be a Linux server serving…files. The legally obtained kind, I might add. Yarrr!
Kindly extrapolate on the more hazardous workloads you Linux machine runs
I used to use MacOS OS X in the mid-2000s, and the reason why I liked it was precisely because it was the best UNIX.
It’s a shame Apple moved away from things like bash, Applescript, Automator, Xserve, machines with toolless chassis and good upgradability, etc.
There’s a better timeline where Woz was also brought back to Apple, OS X was just another linux distro that came with Apple’s very nice hardware, and the combined Linux and Mac user space meant game devs would take it seriously. Also, Mac/linux had a real foothold in the educational space again.
Mastering? It’s an OS not a skill.
Linux skills are often a requirement of sysadmin jobs.
Linux skills
Windows skills
OSX Skills
Can all often be requirements of a job.
I just want to throw it out there that you can use any of these products and learn a terminal. Often times Mac does better with photo editing and programming in terms of handling the load balance.
Knowing one or the other doesn’t make you any better than the rest.
The technology labor market disagrees. Careers are built on mastering the Linux OS.
Wow, really? So, basically, since 1999 or so, I could have had a built up career because I mastered the Linux OS. I have built up a career in something else totally unrelated. Do you think I’d be richer and famouser, too? Maybe I should have just thrown myself at the technology labor market and taken control of it, like I do with the terminal app. snort reapplies tape to broken glasses snort snort readjusts pocket protector prefers platform games with a penguin over a guy with a moustache snort snort
In software, it seems incredibly common for companies to give developers MacBooks and then have their software deployed on a linux VM in AWS.
It’s just one of the lower friction corporate options for software companies. The last time I used an institutionally managed linux computer was college.
There’s definitely tech jobs where you need to know linux. But there’s also a ton of jobs where you don’t have to know much of anything about it beyond common unix stuff, and where OS X specific knowledge is more useful.
When time is money, businesses give 0 shits about your Arch install, to be blunt, OSX and Apple are there to do work… Thay being said, I loves me some Unix Porn 😅 Sorry for the spicy reply. ❤️
Because Linux is really good at being a server, and macOS is really good at being a development OS, despite the hate it’s getting in this thread
their software deployed on a linux VM in AWS.
Precisely one niche where mastering the Linux OS provides bread.
Are really looking down on people because you open the terminal often instead of being able to click something?
Uh…No. Of course not. That would be silly.
It’s all in good fun…I hope.
Eric S. Raymond carved Plan 9’s headstone 20 years ago:
The long view of history may tell a different story, but in 2003 it looks like Plan 9 failed simply because it fell short of being a compelling enough improvement on Unix to displace its ancestor. Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough.
Raymond predicted subsumation as legacy:
It may well be that over time, much more of Plan 9 will work its way into Unix as various portions of Unix’s architecture slide into senescence. This is one possible line of development for Unix’s future.
I wouldn’t call these a ringing endorsement of envy.
You’re fundamentally right, but “no less powerful” is a pretty big stretch, consideration that the majority of the Internet runs on Linux servers, not Mac servers.
But your point about FreeBSD is right. It’s more work, but most software built for Linux will at least run on Mac if you know your compiler flags well enough.
But if someone tries to spin up web services on a Mac, they’re going to have a bad time. So I wouldn’t quote say “no less powerful”.
Edit: but I agree with your core point that the meme is silly and way off base.
Linux’s big competitive advantage in web servers is licensing. You don’t have to pay Apple a penny to start up a linux VM, and you don’t have to contractually run it on apple hardware.
In most modern languages, the difference in building your project on linux vs OS X is basically non-existant. I’ve spent nearly a decade working on backend web services on company MacBooks that get deployed to a linux EC2 instance. Running the server locally makes basically no difference.
Linux’s advantages are more legal than technical.
Zero customisability and plenty of poor defaults.
My 4k€ company MBP 16" is sitting in my drawer while I use my personal XPS running opensuse. Feel right at home and much more productive than before.
that’s why i like linux but if we ever want the year of the linux desktop it needs distros to be more gui orientaded normal users get overwhelmed if they even see a terminal window for a second
OS X is literally a heavily modified version of FreeBSD with a very shiny GUI.
It ships with a terminal that has zsh installed by default, and homebrew is a decent package manager. You can write scripts for it in precisely the same way you do for Linux.
It being closed source means you can’t edit the OS itself. And there’s certainly a bunch of weird stuff that it does. But mastering linux and mastering OS X are pretty similar things.
Mac is annoying. I think the real skill here is just being able to use a terminal. I remember when i worked at EA we had a gazillion Mac mini’s to build ios apps. Due to the way apple likes to handle their certs, you had to update them often. The majority of my coworkers would use a KVM appliance to do so, but it was like 4 commands.
Terminal for the win. I think we eventually just automated it in the build system. Also Jenkins can fuck off.
even thou i don’t really like it but macos is more refined so that it can be used more easily. most linux distros are not really eass to use you have to invest time into it and most people don’t want to do that. we as a linux community should be aware of that problem. yes it’s a problem not a feature
“And you pay for everything you do.”
I dunno I don’t feel like this applies to just Windows or Mac when you consider Red Hat’s acquisition. Windows is popular because of the powerful tools it provides to manage businesses and it goes it well.
Shit on Microsoft all you want but the systems work well for businesses. I would charge others too if my product was popular and did what others needed it to do.
Linux isn’t immune to be used to being made to make money and I really think the Linux community forgets that money talks. Get it in enough businesses and their is potential for someone to charge.
I am root
Love that Star Trek memes are spreading to other communities.
But is it really a different community? Sure, the name is different, but it’s probably the same people.
Locked away in a box for years and suicidal?
