Most people access the Fediverse through one of the large instances: lemmy.world, kbin, or beehaw. New or small instances of Lemmy have no content by default, and can most easily get content by linking to larger Lemmy instances. This is done manually one “Community” at a time (I spent 15 minutes doing this yesterday). Meanwhile, on larger instances, content naturally aggregates as a result of the sheer number of users. Because people generally want a user experience similar to Reddit, I think it’s inevitable that most user activity will be concentrated in one or two instances. It is probable that these instances follow in the footsteps of Reddit- the cycle repeats.
I actually think the Fediverse is in the beginning the process of fragmenting into siloed smaller, centralized instances. Beehaw, which is on the list of top instances, just blacklisted everyone from lemmy.world. Each of the three largest instances now are working to be a standalone replacement for Reddit and are in direct competition with each other. It is possible that this fragmentation and instability? of Lemmy instances will kill the viability of Federated Reddit altogether, but hopefully not.
These are my main takeaways from my three days on the Fediverse. I will stick around to see if the Fediverse can sustain itself after the end of the Reddit blackouts.
Beehaw only defederated from Lemmy.world because of the currently limited moderation tools in the software. This is not going to be a problem forever.
I hope people can find communities both on large instances (Beehaw, Lemmy.world) as well on as very small niche instances. Discoverability is a bit a problem but I think over time we will find communities we like, and participate in them. What instance they are hosted on is not all that important.
I’m on kbin and I have to say I like what they are doing better than Lemmy as far as ease of use and UI. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
I agree. I have both lemmy and kbin accounts, and so far I think the new user experience on kbin is just a little bit easier. But I’ll keep my eye on lemmy in the meantime. You’re right, it will be very interesting to see how this thing develops.
this is the way its supposed to work, reddit is a bunch of fragmented communities too, the only thing you share is a domain.
Each of the three largest instances now are working to be a standalone replacement for Reddit and are in direct competition with each other.
I think it’s clear Beehaw isn’t working to be, or wanting to be, a replacement for Reddit at all.
This commentary wasn’t particularly targeted at beehaw. I was just saying that I don’t see the appeal of generalized mega-instances going away.
There seems to be quite a few folks here that basically want the Lemmyverse to be Reddit with new management
I think instances need to be more focused. For example monero.town, very focused on Monero. If people are interested in other technology, sub to an instance focused on that, etc. I don’t see how mega instances that try to replace reddit are viable in the long term, especially if they start to defederate.
If being focused on one thing is for you then by all means, go for it. I very much doubt that that’s the case for everyone, though, not everyone is comfortable saying “metal is my whole (online) life”, “crypto is my whole life”, “plush toys are my whole life”, and if that isn’t the case, well, do you join the plush toys or death metal instance?
It’s not like the universe put an upper cap on the number of communities. Instances themselves can be little villages in which everyone knows each other on a human, instead of interest, or they can be big cities in which you’re considered crazy if you greet someone on the street, goes about their way, and maybe you get a chance encounter. Or all they do is focus on wet shaving and gladly engage with anyone else who is in need of advise or information, but not nearly as nerdy about it than them.
There’s place for all of that in the fediverse.
The problem with that is users need to make a separate account for each instance. Imagine if you had to re-login every time you wanted to view a different subreddit. It’s a major pain.
That problem could be mitigated if you had an app that could seamlessly log in to multiple instances and display the content in one place. Credentials would be stored locally on your phone for security. Do you know if that exists, or if anyone’s working on something similar?
From what I understand, and someone correct me if I’m wrong, you don’t need multiple accounts (unless one instance has blacklisted another). You can subscribe to a community on a different instance and be able to comment and post without creating an account on the second instance.
For example, on kbin’s search page you can search for programming@programming.dev and subscribe. programming.dev is a completely separate instance running Lemmy with its own communities. Then you can see content from there on your subscribed page.
I agree fully with this. Centralizing all of the major communities with Beeyah is silly. And I wish the moderation rules were at the community level instead of instance level, but I understand that’s a limitation of the ActivityPub protocol (as far as I can tell).
So if I’m interested in many topics I have to create an account on every singles instance?
That’s not how Lemmy works. You just need an account on ONE instance. And then subscribe to all the communities that interest you, some may be local to your instance and some may be hosted on other instances.
Why would I join an instance about music for example to end up subscribing to communities that have nothing to do with music?
And this is why I didn’t sign up for a large instance.
I’d rather joine a smaller one that doesn’t block any instance, neither is it blocked by other instances.
I just want to slowly find new communites and join the ones I think have good discussion, regardless of where they are hosted. I don’t need babysitting.
Spinning up your own solves all these issues. That’s not for everyone, myself included thus far, but ultimately, no one is going to build, maintain and host exactly what I want for free forever. That’s an unreasonable expectation in any context.
That’s true.
I’m not that invested into Lemmy yet. But if I end up using it as much as reddit, I might do this (sounds like an interesting project anyway).
For now, I’ll keep my account in a smaller / more open instance.
If anything, I think reddit was a good lesson on what happens when you let a small group of people control such a large platform. We might run into the same issues if we let a couple of instances get too large.
The first sentence of your last graf makes “might” do some really heavy lifting in the second.
I think we’ll see a full spectrum of how people use Lemmy, and I suspect in the long run, self-selection on each instance is going to make federation make a far more understandable concept to people with any curiosity about it, and if everyone else wants Reddit, hey, more power to them.
