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"Al Jazeera Arabic presenter Tamer Almisshal has had his Facebook profile deleted by Meta 24 hours after the programme Tip of the Iceberg aired an investigation into Meta’s censorship of Palestinian content titled The Locked Space.

The programme’s investigation, which aired on Friday, included admissions by Eric Barbing, former head of Israel’s cybersecurity apparatus, about his organisation’s effort to track Palestinian content according to criteria that included “liking” a photo of a Palestinian killed by Israeli forces."

Deplatforming journalists, or anyone, is a terrible thing to do.

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The jokes people made on Twitter saying “I’m probably gonna be put on a list for retweeting this/liking this” was actual reality on FB?!

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That is a current problem with Twitter as well:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/08/twitter-saudi-arabia-human-rights-abuses

Saudi authorities illegally requesting data from Twitter / flipping twitter employees to figure out who is posting opposing views. Some of which lead to arrests, torture, imprisonment, and death sentences.

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Jared Kushner gave the Saudi’s top secret intelligence information on SA dissidents in exchange for 2 billion…and then MBS had them all trapped in his Hotel to be interrogated, tortured, and likely killed. And now Trumps not even in power anymore and Elon gave them essentially the same thing Jared did. He should have stuck to ripping people off on PayPal, gd it.

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It’s reality on Twitter too. Their are whole industries tracking people and their ideologies and tying that to their identities. You just haven’t pissed off the right group yet so you haven’t found out which list you’re on

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Equating Israel to Judaism is such a stupid fucking idea.

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I’m really, really tired of immediately denouncing Israel half the time people find out I’m Jewish. I’m not a fucking Israeli.

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The Israeli government is really happy to rope you and all other Jewish people outside of Israel along though. And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

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And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

See? This is what I mean. If I just announced that I was Jewish to someone like you, you’d make me justify it by denouncing Israel. I shouldn’t have to do that. It should not be assumed that just because I’m a Jew, I support Israel. Frankly, that’s a form of racism.

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The issue is that both antiseminites and Zionists do want Jewish to mean Israeli. Same with being Israeli doesn’t mean your Jewish or a Zionist

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Nah, it a brilliant idea if you want to deflect criticism of Israel’s right-wing government. What’s stupid is believing it.

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Oh, from that perspective is genius. But any moron that buys into it should be ridiculed

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Same thing with equating abortions to baby murder. Great branding, horrible belief.

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It’s kinda the same tactic Russia uses.

  • Antisemitism <=> anti-Israel
  • Nazism <=> anti-Russia
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Oof. I just want to say as a Jew that is constantly trying to dispel the myth of Jewish media conspiracies, Zuck really isn’t doing us any favors here.

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And not all Jewish people support Israel! I have to assume many understand what’s going on and side with Palestine.

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What does “side with Palestine” mean? I side with the innocent people unjustly targeted in both Israel and Palestine, Israel has tolerated completely unjust treatment of Palestinians as well as done it as a state. But, groups like HAMAS also fire missiles at innocent civilians. Not to mention the many nations that have tried to unprovoked invade Israel. I’m not saying the Israeli government is innocent, it’s not, but it’s more complicated than just “siding with Palestine” being the right answer.

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the many nations that have tried to unprovoked invade Israel

If we go far back in the history of the land… that list goes all the way to the paleolithic, and includes Israel itself. Some call it the “promised land”, “holy land”, and stuff like that, but in practice it looks more like the “cursed land”.

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I’ve been to Jewish gatherings where they had duplicates of some food products because half of them insisted on eating an Israeli brand and half of them refused to.

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Yes, I’m one of them. But again, that’s not the audience I’m worried about. I’m not worried about what the mainstream thinks of Jews, or Jews think of Jews, I am worried about the feedback loop between far right influencers who promote conspiracy theories and the disaffected media consumers that they radicalize into violence. This kind of behavior is fuel for a very dangerous cycle.

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I don’t disagree with this. Far right radicalization is a huge problem.

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And not all the people that support Israel are Jewish nor are being paid by Jews to do so. Many understand that Hamas is a fascist regime and simply don’t like fascism.

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He’s and asshole regardless of his lineage, not because of it. Just so you know someone else out here has a little grounding in reality.

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Thanks, though unfortunately it’s not people like yourself (who understand such things) that worry me.

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i still wait for the day when i can criticize the state of israel and some of it’s policies without getting branded as an antisemite.

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Well, not so much a conspiracy, but Israel is employing social media propaganda, similiar to the infamous russian “troll factories”. It was often very well noticeable on reddit, as sometimes two different accounts posted the exact same comment with pro Israeli talking points. Their main target is facebook and other large plattforms though.

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Any sources on any of that?

I often saw this parroted on Reddit, though without sources. What I didn’t see, is what you described as “very well noticeable” - and I used Reddit a lot.

Anytime I look up this stuff I can only find relevant information from obscure websites which don’t list any sources. This honestly does seem like a conspiracy.

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As a guy wholly descended from the peoples of the British Isles, I have a similar feeling, only in my case, it really is true that my people have trashed the world for their personal benefit.

Granted that the Irish side of my family was never entirely on board.

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Meta are acting as an international agency curtailing journal8sm as it suits them. Using Meta “logic”, they’d need to do the same for the Ukranian reporters, which we also would never condone.

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Can people actually criticise Israel and get away with it? Hasn’t been the case for the past decade or even more. This is hardly news.

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I’ve found that you definitely can outside of the US. Growing up in Australia I was always taught the ‘both sides’ argument regarding Israel/Palestine, and I’ve literally never met a person who didn’t support a two-state solution. A Jewish family I grew up with were notoriously anti-Israel, specifically because Israel has given them bad names by committing atrocities in response to other atrocities. You might find a few right wing nutjobs that refuse to allow criticism of Israel, but generally they’re the ones that are ostracised by the majority.

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Jewish families in America are anti-Israel too, but the US has the crazy Christians that need Israel for the second coming of Christ. So yeah, can’t be critical of Israel in America because an old folk lore might come true.

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This is pretty much it. My Jewish friends, with one exception who worked for the DOD, all draw a line between the Israeli gov and the people. I also think a lot of the high level blind support is because Israel is essentially America’s “aircraft carrier” in the region and a valuable source of intelligence.

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