"went home, kicked sarumans ass for good, and then got to slamminā¦
Oh right, the whole battle of the shire isnāt a thing because some dork chopped it and Tom bombadil completely out of a movie script.
What? Noā¦ Iām not bitterā¦ much
Thereās still hope for a Tom Bombadil miniseries that resurrects those scenes. Whether it would be good is TBD, but maybe Amazon pulls an Andor and gives somebody the creative freedom to make it that way.
Amazonās made some half-decent shows, so itās not completely unrealistic to imagine ā¦
āSo we decided not to actually read any of the lord of the rings books and instead imagined what a guy named Tom Bombadil would be like and thought up some zany adventures for him to go on. We really think the audience will respond to his soon to be famous punch line, āGabbana doodle muk muk.ā Ahh old Tom āCheddar Cheeseā Bombadil what will you do next? Thatās right we gave him the nick name Cheddar Cheese, people are going to love it.ā
Amazon has made some decent shows, but has Amazon made any decent adaptations? Rings of Power wouldnāt be completely awful for example if not for the butchering of the pre-existing lore.
Vox Machina is the closest they have, but thatās kinda cheating, the VAs who originally created and played the characters in DnD are, naturally, the VAs for their characters on the show.
Idk, I do wish Tom bombadill was in the movie since heās probably my favorite character, but I was fine without the battle for the Shire.
It just seems too much too briefly even in the book, I think it would have been very difficult to include that organically in the movie.
I feel like Tom Bombadil is an interesting mystery in the universe, but theyāre pretty easily cut out of the story without changing anything really other than getting rid of the question of āwhoās this weirdo that the ring doesnāt affect?ā The Scouring of the Shire is also arguably cut pretty easily, and I get why a lot of people donāt like it, but it seems more important to the themes in the book and to show how the heroes have evolved since they were last in the Shire.
Iām also fine with Tom not being in the movies, for exactly the reason youāre saying.
I also selfishly want him on screen just to stare at, Iād love like a whole 45 minute cutscene or entirely separate production laboriously following the details of his actions and behavior that are in the book. I donāt even care that his ultimate nature is a mystery. Honestly, I just love his buoyant singing and style.
Did you read that theory about him being the song of the ainur? Itās a great read. One of the nerd of the rings or other fans do a summary video of it on YouTube if you want to cut down the reading time.
The reason Sam could give up One Ring was because he wanted nothing more than a small garden to tend to. He never desired anything more. Hence, The Ring couldnāt tempt him.
Edit: To clarify, Sam never attempted to steal The Ring from Frodo. That is because Sam could resist the temptation of the ring because of his simple desires.
I thought it was cuz he never directly carried it, at least not for long. If The Ring couldnāt tempt him, why couldnāt he be the one to carry it instead of Frodo?
I think Sam wouldnāt have the conviction to get things done. He wasnāt the one who stood up and accepted the ring at the council. Sam was loyal and didnāt have lofty desires, but he didnāt have the spirit of adventure and perseverance that Frodo had. He was the perfect ally to help Frodo, but he wouldnāt have made a good Ring bearer himself.
sams greatest threat is gollum and frodoās greatest threat is everything else.
Unless Tolkien addressed this in one of his letters (I really wouldnāt be surprised), we donāt know for sure, but my guess would be that Samās resistance was mostly temporary. He could carry it for a short while without succumbing, and he could be around frodo for the whole journey with no issue, but heād have eventually succumb to it.
Also worth noting that itās heavily implied that the whole thing was predestined by Eru, and so with that in mind, it makes perfect sense that Frodo carries it instead of Sam, because
A) if Sam carried it, itās unlikely he would have trusted Gollem, and his āhelpā was required in several ways to get the job done
B) Frodo being the carrier + Sam as his sole ally, while not intended by the council of Elrond, turned out to be a formidable match, thanks to Samās resistance to the ring and his loyalty to Frodo. Idk if when push came to shove, Frodo would have been quite as loyal to Sam as Sam was to Frodo (not with the ring doing itās thing afterall.
Its also worth noting that Tolkien had some kinda weird views about the whole āservant & landed gentryā dynamics, as can be seen in just about every dialogue between Sam and Frodo lol - Sam being the effective leader, despite being a humble gardener and Frodo being basically a Lord in hobbit terms isnāt something Tolkien was likely to write
Not entirely. Sam was tempted, and if he possessed the ring long enough he would have been overcome like any other, but his Hobbit-sense saved him in that one small moment:
"āAs he stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, and vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordorā¦ā
"Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-durā¦ He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. "
"In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command. "
The One Ring fucked up. It needed to tempt him with a mountain of PO-TA-TOES.
In the book, when he was carrying it temporarily for Frodo, the Ring did tempt him. He saw himself at the head of a vast garden, a garden rivaling nations, one that would be free of society and allowed to grow endlessly. The feelings of conquest were justified immediately by the retaking of nature.
Not too bad of a temptation, I dare say.
Geez, thereās so much I either missed or conflated with the movies since reading the series. Someone else included the quote where he just wants to be a small gardener with his own garden, but I donāt remember the garden to rival nations although it rings a bell.
Oh, found it, āand then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his ownā
Thatās great, thanks.
Slammed prime Hobbitussy
Thatās gotta be a brand new sentence
No one wanted to think about it given the amount of ill placed hair hobbits have.
No sir, I imagine all alpaca sweaters sleeve pulled inside out and rumpled up.
Side character
Definitely the main character.
Tolkien explicitly stated that Sam was the main character:
Tolkien said that Sam is actually the hero in LOTR
Thatās fine. Sam didnāt do it for the fame, he just did it for his friend Frodo.