If Ryan Cohen took a salary in that leauge the bear thesis would still be alive and the turnaround of GameStop might never happen (or be significantly delayed). My executive chairman has other plans 🙌
Just want to say this based on your comment OP: just be aware that you’re holding a bag for GME at this point. It’s been almost 3 years and it’s now at… $17, which adjusted for pre-split is $68. It’s very unlikely there’ll ever be a squeeze like the Jan 2021 squeeze ever again.
With that out of the way, CEOs are overpaid for work anybody with half a brain can do. All a CEO does is make decisions, and if they’re good, they’d ask the other executive members to do the actual work and analysis. I’m fairly certain you could have an AI take over their jobs and nothing would change at worst - and it’s more likely that it would actually improve some businesses.
I won’t be citing sources, sine I am not trying to convince you, but I will say this:
GME did not squeeze in 2021, it was running into a gamma squeeze, but was shut down by the ‘removal’ of the buy button.
Since then, shorts have not closed and shorting continues on a daily basis.
This year it seems like GameStop will have a profitable year, EPS was very nearly 0 last quarter and will most likely be positive the next.
So yeah, I am not holding bags, I am watching the most entertaining story I have ever seen, live. Shorts have nowhere to hide, they will fight to the last breath since they have no other options. When they can’t do that anymore, then we shall have a squeeze. I will be there for it, and you won’t.
Oh, trust me, I know: I was an Jan ape and saw that shit live when Robinhood turned off the sell button due to “volatility”. Still technically one since I have one share from when it was around $400 DRS’d, but I had to sell the rest of my shares at a loss recently to pay for some bills and debt earlier this year. I also remember when DFV was absolutely shat on in the WSB subreddit for his GME options plays and saw GME at a negative beta quite a few times too, so not a complete stranger to it like you seem to think I am.
If the Jan 2021 squeeze was the “gamma squeeze” and not The Squeeze, I genuinely think it would have happened at some point in the past couple of years - and at this point, I’m starting to think that it did squeeze back then and now it’s just all hype from bagholders and cryptobros.
Hi, I don’t want to butt in on your comment here, but I’m pretty sure Robinhood couldn’t follow the financial regulations and still have the button available at the time because it didn’t have the reserves to be able to fulfil the expected requests. It was a legal issue that caused them to disable trading not malicious intent. Robinhood would have made a fortune on fees so I can’t see why they would have wanted to purposely shoot their own foot on that ground.
But then again, I’m stupid and know nothing so disregard my comment if you so please. Thanks.
I am sorry you had to sell your shares for some bills, that sucks. As for the future, we shall see now won’t we? Have a good life internet stanger.
Executives of large companies should always be paid wholly or mostly in stock and not allowed to hedge. This is the only way to be aligned with any 1%er that I can think of, when their interests and those of the common shareholder are unified.
What shareholders want isn’t what the customers want, what shareholders want isn’t what personnel want, what shareholders want isn’t what the public wants either.
The shareholders want to fuck the customer, they want to fuck the employees, and they want to fuck the business itself. Fuck the shareholders. They didn’t make the business successful, they didn’t have the vision that created the value in the first place, they’re leeches that ruin the business for short sighted goals.
Fuck the shareholders, and fuck the executives.
I realize that many people’s retirements are tied up in stocks as well. That doesn’t make us “shareholders”. Without voting rights or a say, we’re not really vested in the same manner executives are. When our 401k’s go off to a fund manager that makes the decisions for us, we’re not really “in the game” as it were. Ideally a company’s stock price should be tied to the health of the company, instead what we have are artificial prices inflated by mechanisms such as stock buybacks or the stock price is speculative.
Either way, it’s a shit show for us (you know, regular people) and only great for the 1%'ers. I think tying up retirements like we have been is a mistake, look at the many examples of people who lost their retirement assets due to MCI Worldcom, Enron, and Madoff.
It’s a joke.
Yes, but RSUs aren’t actually stocks, and I don’t think of them as a very effective way of unifying the interests of an RSU holder with the shareholder per se.
Restricted Stock Units, also called RSUs, are not stock. When RSUs are granted, no share certificates are issued. The executive actually owns nothing. RSUs are not restricted stock. There are no shares then issued that are subject to forfeiture. Again, no stock is issued, restricted or otherwise. Nor are RSUs options. There is no strike price. No company commitment to sell the executive shares once they vest. So, what are RSUs? RSUs are restricted stock units that represent a company’s promise to issue to you shares of the company’s stock or to pay you the cash value of that company stock, at some date in the future. The company enters a contract with you that if the conditions of the contract are met, you will then get stock or the cash equivalent. Thus, one RSU equals the right to receive one share of the company’s common stock at a later time, or the right to receive the cash value of one share of the company’s common stock at a later time. The number of RSUs you are granted tells you how many shares of stock (or the number of shares of stock used to determine your cash payment) you will receive when they are “settled.”
Source: https://ceoworld.biz/2017/02/28/advantage-rsus-ceo-compensation-package/
Why should the shareholders interest even be prioritized. What about customers? Or employees? Or the business itself?
This priority on short term profits for stock price is toxic to functional capitalism.
Why should a car owners commute be prioritized… what about disabled? Or downtroden? Or the dealership itself?
This priority on personal vehicals for daily use is toxic to functional transport.
OK some priority is reasonable, the company needs to make some money to pay for investments.
But I absolutely agree, why are we rewarding companies that are practically doing con jobs on their customers?
I agree more than I disagree actually, but the nuance I’d add is that I think share price should be much less of a focus than company profitability and dividends, as the whole point of owning stock is in owning the excess profits. Trading firms have made the markets into a casino while low Fed rates have made actual profitability more of a side quest for most publicly traded companies. Look at Rivian, nearly worth a trillion dollars before they even had full production? Ludicrous speculation at the cost of everything is the main course for most traders.
Aside from discussing the urgent need for market reforms to make sure companies trade more closely to their fundamental value, I spend more of my time worrying about customers and workers as well. We have a nation addicted to literal slavery through the 13th amendment, it’s a disgrace. Putting more people in prison is literally in the interest of certain for-profit prison company shareholders. It’s sick.
Saint Milton Friedman (bless him) said that the only societal responsibility of a CEO is to increase the wealth of the company’s shareholders.
You wouldn’t want the CEOs to disobey the sanctified word of Mimil? The shareholders could go broke, and then how would the wealth treacle down? Did you think of this? No, you only think about not starving, you egoistical prole.
No, they should be paid wages like everybody else, and also hired and fired like everybody else. The idea that a CEO is some kind of special superstar with talents nobody else have is ridiculous. The current situation is a scheme to help keep the 1% in the 1%.
Threy are paid wages like everybody else. And a CEO of a fortune 500 company will have special skills that nobody else has. The skills can be learnt mostly. But at companies this big, a CEO is an asset, a good CEO that can provide more growth and profit than anyone else will command a salary, and the market forces ensure that the salary they earn is inline with how much value they bring to the company.
And these people still pay tax, and a lot of it. It’s not possible to argue that a CEO is overpaid because CEO pay at this level is defined by the Market.
Give up. These conversations are dominated by teenagers who are bringing their vast experience working a shit job for an hourly wage.
They think they’re making some moral/social outcry against a symptom of capitalism, thinking that if we could just cure the symptom, the disease will improve. (Same people say nothing about athlete’s pay, but here we are. LOL, that one used to be a source of public outcry.)
CEOs get these salaries and benefits because the market is willing to pay it, thinks it’s a fair deal. There’s nothing more to it.
If you have a billion-dollar company, and you want the best leadership, you pay for that. Want some dude who says, “Sure, I can handle it. Only need $250,000/yr. I got this.”? Of course not. You want someone with a track record of handling… whatever it is you’re hiring for.
Sure, sometimes they fuck up, just like any employer. But do these people think they’re smarter than the Alpha board of directors?! Yes they do.
And spare me the, “They don’t work 1,000% harder!”. Yeah. We know because it’s obvious to any simpleton. That’s not a point worth making.
And spare me, “The workers should get that money!” Dude was bitching on reddit about American Airlines, their CEO and pay. I did the math. If you stripped him of every penny and spread it around, worked out to $.02/hr. more for each employee.
CEO pay ain’t the fucking problem. It’s only a symptom of unfettered capitalism.
And one last addition to my rant. :)
Listen: People pay you for what you can do for them. That’s how you make money. Hard work barely figures in.
Don’t get me started on making social connections. Somehow these people forget we’re apes and that sort of thing is important.
Threy are paid wages like everybody else. And a CEO of a fortune 500 company will have special skills that nobody else has.
You must be disconnected from reality to think like that. What incredible skills do Bezos and Musk have to gain 10000% more than all of their employees combined?
a CEO is an asset
Most businesses thrive despite CEOs, not thanks to them. Worker-owned cooperatives are reliably more stable.
And these people still pay tax, and a lot of it.
Have you heard of the Panama papers?
Threy are paid wages like everybody else.
Absolutely not, the wages for most CEOs are almost irrelevant, the major income for most is from stock, where they are regularly given stock, and have cheap stock options on top of that.
What I’m stating is that they should be paid according to their actual skill set, like other workers. That is according to their education and experience. And not fantastic amounts hundreds or even thousands times more than normal workers. There is no way one person can realistically be worth 100 times a normal worker. CEO is not a unique skillset, which is evident from the fact that most CEOs come from sales. The same place you also get your best con men. Sorry I hope no offense to hardworking salespeople out there.
Google ceo making 870 thousand dollars per day. I’m sure he generates more than that in profit personally right
Their daily revenue is like $200M. Of course revenue isn’t profit but still that’s less than half of one percent
My takeaway is “how the hell is Simon in the top 20??” Have you been to a Simon property lately? Shit’s dying and their properties are being leased as Amazon distro centers.
This is also, conveniently, a list of the most egregiously overpaid people in the world. Nothing these CEOs do could possibly be worth what they make.
There are people taking in millions each year, not for doing the job of running a company, but for owning companies. There’s definitely overlap, but I’m not sure the two are the same list
The comment above wasn’t talking about them. He was talking about the CEOs listed here. Time cook makes ~$100m. The company could instead afford to hire ~1000 software developers instead. Is he doing more work than 1000 developers? Certainly not.
Yeah that’s kind of my point, though. I agree Tim Cook doesn’t do the work of 1000 developers, but I would suggest he does work comparable to at least 1 developer.
A “list of the most egregiously overpaid people in the world” really should include people who get paid not for doing work, but just owning things. CEOs are certainly egregiously overpaid, but if someone gets paid 1m a year to be a CEO, and someone else gets paid 1m a year for simply owning a company, I would contend the owner is more overpaid than the CEO.