I think a material difference between Iraq (v2 anyway) and Ukraine is that they can keep doing the “well Russia was the aggressor” thing indefinitely even if the reality is more complicated.

also yes obviously some libs are still stubborn about Iraq, the worst ones, but for the most part its generally agreed that the Iraq War was a bad thing.

I think that they will continue to do the “russia was the aggressor” but they’ll almost certainly start saying “we should have negotiated sooner, it was obvious we had bad intelligence (or, if we’re lucky, ‘it was obvious the media was lying’) about how weak the russian army/economy was”

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In ten years every liberal who was frothing about russian orcs will confidently tell you they always said the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine was bigger than the invasion, and that they correctly predicted all these terror attacks all over Europe, and they’re definitely anti-fascists from way back.

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In ten years they will still be demanding Russia cedes Crimea.

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They don’t care about the Kurds is Syria after having been told they were out bestest friends in the middle east, I think they’ll completely abandon it

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Kurds aren’t “aryan” though. You’re missing the racism from your analysis.

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I think it’s gonna be more like how cons dealt with Iraq. They eventually will just say it was bad strategy, we should have just started WW3 essentially. They will not examine it to understand that is what they are saying, but it will be a tragic failure of NATO not being strong or something like that.

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It’ll be like conservatives with Vietnam: a stab in the back narrative (albeit less visceral due to it being a proxy war.)

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Yep, “they didn’t let us win” cope.

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we gotta start making flowcharts for the different stages of manipulative rhetoric they use as an issue progresses from background to forefront to background again

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