After dealing with lots of bad PR from terrible decisions, Twitch now has to deal with one of its biggest streamers moving to another platform, Kick, with a deal larger than those of most athletes

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Good for him, if they can actually pay. And I thank Kick for letting me know that I have 0 interest in that platform. xQc’s content isn’t for as I’m an adult that isn’t a complete asshat. Only partial, but xQc is far too toxic for me.

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I mean, xQc is only one streamer. So… If there’s other popular streamers who you like who migrate to Kick, then… You might find someone to watch there.

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This is how mixr - or whatever it was called - died out.
They bought in a couple big streamers expecting the rest to follow.
But what makes twitch so good are the smaller communities.
They often play niche games, have their own fantastic history, raiding each other, nice people, nice streamer interactions.

Some streamers I know have talked about kick. Apparently they are offering a 95% split.
I know twitch is probably extremely inefficient, but if twitch is struggling with a 50/50 split, how the fuck can kick maintain a 95/5 split? And if you move your entire community to another platform, just for that platform to die?

YouTube is probably in the best position to rival Twitch.
But their live stream system and discovery is severely lacking

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Mixr had exclusive contracts with the streamers they bought. Meaning they could only stream on Mixr.

Interestingly, Kick is going for a different approach with non-exclusive contracts, allowing XQC to stream on all other platforms as well. It sounds crazy when they’re spending $100 mill, but they’re betting on being able to bring users from other platforms over time, rather than just expecting the audience to all move over at once.

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I get what the guy above is saying - first impressions mean a lot and this site wants XQC so badly they’re willing to pay an absolutely obscene amount for a non-exclusive deal.

I went to the site and aside from X’s stream one of the top categories was “pools & bikinis”. Granted, “Casinos & Gambling” was higher up, but still, tells you a lot about what kind of site this is willing to be.

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So far the only people I know joining Kick are xQc, Traci and Adin Ross… if that’s the kind of content they’re trying to curate early on I can say with 100% certainty that its not for me.

Also doesn’t help that they’re funded by a gambling company

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great that there’s a Twitch rival trying to get serious

Kick is not it though.
Their mothership Stake is crypto gambling casino and it’s shady as fuck

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Ah, so just like any other F1 sponsor then. Honestly can’t wait to see them suddenly disappear without actually playing those sponsorship deals because it was a money laundering scheme 🤣

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Like what happened to Mercedes and FTX

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Ah that explains why their biggest streaming category is gambling

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I would feel better about this if it weren’t for Kick’s relationship with an online casino.

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I will never understand the appeal of these awful little men and their screeching little chats. They’re all so loud and irritating.

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Little kids operate exactly like that, and that’s the whole demographic for most twitch users

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Amen.

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@Kara A bit of history here :

Stake (a sketchy online casinos) made Kick after Twitch banned gambling using sketchy online casinos from the platform.

XQC was one of the streamer sponsored by Stake.

Xqc got mad when another streamer (Mizkif) were campaigning to get gambling banned from Twitch, so XQC try to weaponized a girl sexual allegation against Mizkif’s friend in order to cancelled Mizkif.

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That is some excellent context, thanks.
I know a few streamers that have been chatting about kick. The gambling origin/backing makes it seem sketchy AF.

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It’s Kick, in case you didn’t want to click the link

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Can’t say I’ve ever heard of it before but must be doing something to have $100m for this.

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it’s crypto gambling stuff

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AKA a Ponzi scheme

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@Shadocvao Stake (a sketchy online casinos) made Kick after Twitch banned gambling using sketchy online casinos from the platform.

XQC was one of the streamer sponsored by Stake.

Xqc got mad when another streamer (Mizkif) were campaigning to get gambling banned from Twitch, so XQC try to weaponized a girl sexual allegation against Mizkif’s friend in order to cancelled Mizkif.

@Kara @SuperSaiyanSwag

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That sounds like an incredibly toxic situation

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It’s Stake’s cryptogambling online casino business

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