Re-creation of someone else’s post because the original was removed and I found it funny when I first saw it

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The duck can’t actually say anything because his sound drivers randomly stopped working.

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In recent memory I’ve had both a microphone driver bug in Linux and one in macOS with specific hardware. Only one of them was fixed with an update.

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Have you tried opening an issue with the drivers developers?

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9 points

My experience with Apple issue reporting is that you’re speaking into a void.

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16 points

PipeWire for life

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Seriously, pipewire is so much better than pulse. I remember having lots of sound issues on my laptop. Sound randomly becoming extremely distorted until I stopped and started playback, microphone volume resetting to 100% earraping everyone in discord calls, random pops and cracks… All of this was fixed by switching to pipewire

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how make microphone volume not be able to go down from 100% when i switch to linux mint

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9 points

That would be really annoying (when I would use sound)

On the other hand, the Nvidia card I use refuses to work via the external monitor (USB-C) at power on when plugged in. Power on, then plug in, then I have screen… weird.

  • Apple: We support apple hardware
  • Microsoft: We support hardware from this list
  • Linux: You want support, write it yourself.
  • Nvidia: You want support, use windows
  • Laptop developers: You want performance, oh, you’re a gamer, here have a Nvidia card.

You might ask, why a laptop: power consumption for the moments I don’t need power. I don’t want QHD on 17", 24" is better for my aging eyes so external monitor is a requirement. (previous one had 4K on 15", cheapest screen option to buy)

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  • Microsoft: hardware supports us
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Who out there using computers without sound?

I bet you say it was your own choice as well to miss a standard feature.

Why yes, I do use a computer without a monitor, I have memorised everything! No don’t look behind the curtain at the shattered monitor, it was my own choice!

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10 points

Deaf people.

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5 points

Literally anyone who wants to use a laptop in public withough annoying everyone around them.

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Who out there using computers without sound?

I use my computers without sound, until I watch a vid (I use headphones for that). I hate the constant beeps for attention. Same with tablets, no sound, not even when playing a game. The only device that is allowed to make a sound is the phone. (and then very limited)

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4 points

I literally never got sound working on Ubuntu. MSI motherboard, Phenom II quad at the time.

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3 points

Sure, if you go with that attitude PulseAudio.

Uninstalled it for ALSA on every (every) machine I’ve touched that has to do audio, and haven’t had issues since 2015.

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I don’t know if pulse ever worked right

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When it made people switch back to ALSAyes it did. ;)

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I’m really triggered by the idea that Linux makes running old software easy. The bane of my existence is finding an application that depends on libButts.5.1, but my distro ships with libButts.5.3, which isn’t backward compatible for some reason, and trying to install libButts.5.1 bricks the desktop environment for some reason.

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I just searched for that lib, in an attempt to help you with the supposed problem. I won’t deny, you got me there.

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And this is what is actually good about Linux. :)

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5 points

Why is that good?

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22 points

Appimage, Snap, Flatpak, Docker, Podman, Distrobox, Toolbox…

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All potentially fantastic ideas had the original author bothered to package in any of those formats. Much more common is the only release is a .deb built for an ancient version of Ubuntu, leading to my above frustrstions.

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  1. Stop bothering with dead software.
  2. You can repackage old FOSS source code into any of those containers and install and use it that way. Nothing is stopping you, the tools are free and widely documented. You don’t need to own the FOSS repository to repackage it, and actually a huge chunk of containers are packaged by people not affiliated with the development project of the software.
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AppImage has definitely made my life a lot easier in several cases!

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I’ve had poor luck with AppImage. Because of how it works, it has failed in the exact thing it was supposed to do, just werk everywhere. But I’ve heard it generally works well.

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Those are fairly recent solutions

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We only use software that has existed before the past decade in this household!

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I mean not really, Appimage has been around since 2004, flatpak/docker for about a decade now. But at any rate I don’t see your point, the person I replied to said it’s hard to run old applications on Linux and I gave him solutions on how to do that. What does their age have to do with anything?

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22 points

No time for actual facts, only circlejerking /s

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6 points

Well this is linuxmemes

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Thanks for the suggestion. I can’t wait to try buttstuff in a safe environment later.

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5 points

Most of the people who post these kinds of memes unironically, aren’t actual nix users

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2 points

can you not recompile the app to use the new lib?

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10 points

Someone probably could. But not me. I am not a software developer, and being one should not be a prerequisite to using an OS, despite what the memes in this very group might lead one to believe.

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8 points

that’s when you find out that the updated build environment is incompatible with the older libraries the project expected.

usually the only escape is docker, or containerization to be correct, just give the old app and old environment.

this wastes a lot of space though

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Potentially but it’s not always that simple. I’ve literally encountered this exact scenario. OldeShit needs libY 1.9 but pacman is on 2.2. Can’t downgrade because libY uses 10 different libs collectively in the depends tree that explicitly need 2.0 or higher. So you take a look at libY and OldeShit builds only to realise several functions that libY provide have been reworked or removed, making it incompatible with OldeShit. As such OldeShit doesn’t build.

As an aside, this is quite literally why Microsoft has several different VC Redistributables. To avoid this issue. But this also creates another issue. Lol.

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Anyone who’s feeling Linux savvy, try getting EAX working with some X-Fi hardware. Best of luck ;)

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2 points

That sounds sadistic.

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I mean to be fair, it’s likely you’d spend most of your time reverse engineering creative’s drivers with something like ghidra, which doesn’t need Linux 😄

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  1. schroot
  2. ???
  3. PROFIT
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I’ll just leave this here: https://lemmy.world/post/2735721

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55 points

The last character: I can make you spend an entire day trying to install some software or configuring something specific

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Oh yeah, I never had to do this on windows!

Wait! That’s not correct.

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Maybe I’m unique in this regard, but I can’t remember having any issues installing things on windows since Windows 7. Trying out Linux in college was fun and interesting, but I definitely spent more time futzing around with it to make it work the way that I want it to work.

I think more people would take the Linux community here seriously if people just acknowledged the flaws with Linux based OSes and focused on the actual benefits of Linux over windows. (Which are getting more and more enticing as Microsoft makes windows more annoying.)

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I know what you mean and Linux can be the operating system with less issues as well. E.g. I never had printer issues with my system but have to troubleshoot others’ printers regularly.

If you only use Linux for browsing and light office work you probably never encounter problems. Even if you play games via steam and Proton there probably will never be something.

The same is true for Windows. If you only use it for a small subset of tasks (browsing, light office work or playing recent games) you will rarely encounter problems.

But if you try to do so without a Microsoft account or if you don’t want a bloated start menu, it starts to get tricky.

And don’t get me started on playing old games or getting some programming dependencies running. This can be hell.

I know the flaws of windows (I’ve used it up until last year and still have to use it at work) and I also know the limitations of Linux. They are both not perfect, but Linux is free and Windows becomes more and more shit (as you’ve said). And this is where I don’t understand all the people saying, that windows is easier. It really isn’t anymore. It was a few years ago though.

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😜

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A key distinction is how many of those problems are specifically because of Windows. Is a Windows feature creating the problem?

The concept scares me quite a bit actually, having to fight my OS in addition to entire else I’m always trying to figure out.

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Yeah I won’t say windows is better, I know Linux is superior. But windows is a mess with a reason, it works everywhere . But It can’t handle heavy operations , it’s bloated af … etc ir sucks for enterprise solutions. But for a personal computer or server simple apps, people don’t want to wait or struggle .

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99.9% of Windows software runs after you run the .exe

Which programs require so much troubleshooting for you?

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I just spent 30+ minutes troubleshooting an MS office installer today that would just shut off after the splash screen, on a friend’s brand new laptop… But then again, I spent two hours trying to get my old Brother network scanner/printer on Manjaro a few weeks ago.

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Or: I can only print intermittently at best.

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9 points

That’s HP’s fault and isn’t Linux specific.

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I run Ubuntu at work where we have an Epson printer. My print jobs are mysteriously canceled ~50% of the time, and wouldn’t work at all throughout Ubuntu 20.10 and only started intermittently working with 22.10. (They were mysteriously quite reliable with 18.10.) Looking around on the Ubuntu forums, I was hardly alone. None of the posted fixes worked for my case, and seemed unreliable for others as well. A cursory Internet search shows me that printing problems are endemic to Linux and have been for a long time.

We don’t have a Windows machine to compare, but the Mac on the front desk prints 100% of the time without fail barring paper jam or something else that is the fault of the printer.

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53 points

Windows also doesn’t let you remove system apps.

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Try me 😂

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You can totally remove them, but it’ll just reinstall them back, or worst case scenario, you’ll break a part of your system, because Windows is a giant monolith of decades of built-up stupidity

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22 points

Tbf, every moderately old software product is a collection of built-up stupidity.

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5 points

Worse, intentional malicious stupidity.

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Eh, there are lots of utilities that will solve this problem very quickly and permanently.

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40 points

Linux: I can’t install steam without breaking my system

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Steam Deck: am I a joke to you?

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Yes.

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laughs in flatpak

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Unpopular opinion: flatpaks enable lazy developers to keep old versions of required Python dependencies working longer.

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10 points

And that is bad?

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I think it’s fine as long as they aren’t terrible insecure. But if they’re using an old runtime, people will bother them about it.

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21 points

Maybe you and Linus can’t…

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Meanwhile everyone can install Steam on Windows/Mac without issue.

Sounds like Linux is great…

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I think they’re talking about that time PopOS messed up Steam packaging and it was broken and it just so happens Linus (the tech tip guy) was trying to install it then and he ended up running a command to rememedy the situation that totally broke his shit. It was pretty funny

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laughs in Wine

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