Important clarification/FAQ

I am not calling to coddle or excuse the behavior of bigoted men in any way!

I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)

Very good comments that express key points:

Edit: This post has now been removed and restored twice. I want to encourage you all:

Be decent to one another

I think this post is a valuable thing given the current state of the Fediverse, please don’t fuck it up for us by being toxic in the comments.

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14 points

Those young men should also choose the bear. If we explained that to them, and why, maybe the next generation wouldn’t need to.

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-22 points

Many do. Why is why we have MGTOW and Andrew Tate

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11 points

How are they choosing the bear? Both of those are actively hostile towards women, they don’t just “go their own way” to chill with the bear

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4 points

Choosing the bear is how one starts on either path. Then they get manipulated by hate spreaders and fraudsters.

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Because…men…make up ~80% of all murder victims, in addition to 90% of the perpetrators? According to the UN’s 2019 homicide study?

That’s why men fall into frothing inceldom and whatever Andrew Tate is doing? Because they share statistically just as much risk regarding other men as women face from men, just for a predominantly different crime?

Because that’s why they need to be choosing the bear, and that just doesn’t sound right…

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You’re using the bear analogy wrong. If the bear analogy was about statistics, they’d choose the human because statistically speaking, many, many more people are helpful than harmful. Especially compared to a dangerous wild animal.

People pick the bear because they themselves have been hurt too many times or have heard of people being hurt too many times. There is a perception that the bear is safer.

That can go both ways. And often people choosing the bear can be in a vulnerable state, which the likes of Andrew Tate preys on.

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Honestly I think if you gave them the same choice, they’d pick bear too. Bear or a man who has on average 75% more muscle mass and 90% more strength than you. He is also 93% likely to be gay. Now you might be in the forest with your nice and normal gay neighbor and have a totally lovely time! Or you might get one of those gay priests who just want to rape you repeatedly. Which do you pick? Man or bear?

That’s a lot closer to the choice women are making.

Source on average difference of male to female strength https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200205132404.htm

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31 points

What the fuck is any of this

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1 point

it’s a poorly framed joke about gay subculture, in which a “bear” is a big burly hairy gay dude.

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8 points

I mean, I’m a man getting to the point where I’m entering the “No longer young” decade, but I’d take the bear. People are less predictable than bears. I don’t want to be isolated from civilization with ANY stranger.

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It’s exactly this. A bear is a bear. Known quantity. Likely to leave you alone, and you’re in his space. A man? Possibly fine. Possibly gonna do some bad stuff. Why is he even there? Who knows!

People are really bad at risk calculations. Bears just aren’t that risky by comparison.

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https://www.nps.gov/subjects/bears/safety.htm

Somebody on youtube really needs to do a skit where a woman treats a random dude in the woods the same way they would a real bear encounter.

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7 points

I think you’re misunderstanding the point of the meme then

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6 points

Not really. It’s saying to soften the language. I disagree. I say explain the language and why that level of anger is justified. The boys will quickly realize and be told that it’s not about them. They’ll likely also be just as mad at the s*** that goes on.

Kids are smart. If you tell them that women would pick a bear because a small percentage of men rape a large percentage of women, they’ll get that.

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Women: “men are horrible rapists”

Men who are not rapists: “hey that’s pretty insulting”

Women: “oh not you, you’re one of the good ones”

Men who are not rapists: “oh well in that case please proceed with your sexism”

??

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