Typical librul carin bout facts

I don’t know why either. But my guess is he was being chased for shouting the N word at a BLM protest. Just a guess though. I doubt he was being cordial.

The most prominent explanation being that he was stopping an active shooter. But even if we accept that story, it completely undercuts the effective argument of “but he just had a skateboard and flinched!”

I think everyone in this situation thought they were doing the noble thing. It’s just easier to process if we assume one person is a bad guy, and the other person was acting nobly and rationally in pursuit of some higher purpose, rather than accepting the messy truth.

No one alleged that Rittenhouse pointed the gun at anyone before he was charged. You need to reexamine your priors on this one.

“Defend yourself” by chasing a fleeing guy?

Hate to break it to you bud but that doesn’t fit the legal definition of self defense anywhere in America.

In some states you aren’t required to retreat yourself if you have the legal right to be where you are when you’re attacked (this is called “stand your ground” laws). However if the attacker starts fleeing and you pursue you are not allowed to chase them and finish the job. Even if they break into your house, if you surprise them and they run out before they get shot you aren’t allowed to wing shots wildly at them down the street. If you see someone murder someone and run away, it is illegal for you to chase and kill them, you’re required to let the police take over from there.

Rittenhouse however did attempt to retreat from Rosenbaum who was chasing him and threatening to kill him, until he was cornered and had to shoot Rosenbaum when he reached for the gun. After that, the crowd shouted “he just shot that dude, get him” and surprise, he started running away from the mob of people. Then the dude with a rock took him down, he rolled over, missed jump kick man, then Huber hit him with the trucks and tried to take his gun, which Rittenhouse defended again, then Grosskreutz came and faked surrender before pulling out a gun he wasn’t legally allowed to have and Rittenhouse defended again.

At every point, Rittenhouse attempted retreat from those who were attacking him. Vigilante mob justice is super cool or whatever but it is illegal, the crowd had no legal right to “chase a fleeing felon” just as CCW holders don’t have that right. Thankfully.

Who said anything about anyone deserving to die? Certainly not me.

assist as a medic

Is that the story now? I thought he was protecting businesses that never asked for his help.

Oh so “wandering alone” is it? You gonna tell a lady that “wandering alone” is what caused her rape?

Fortunately, people aren’t legally justified in attacking “alone” people for being alone.

his decision to bring a rifle to “assist as a medic” caused this entire scenario.

Objectively untrue. The ‘scenario’ was instigated by a maniac going into a literal homicidal rage over having a dumpster fire he set, extinguished. It had literally nothing to do with the fact that the person who put out that fire was armed.

P.S. Well, actually, it may have, but not for the reason most think–I have a ‘pet theory’ that Rosenbaum freaked out on Rittenhouse because he wanted to get shot and killed. This is based on a few things: the fact that Rosenbaum was suicidal–in fact, he was let out of a mental health facility’s 3 day hold FOR a suicide attempt literally THAT DAY. Secondly, simply the fact that the way he reacted makes literally no sense, completely over the top, and would be arguably comically exaggerated if it happened in fiction. And reason 2.5 is that he, unarmed, screamed death threats at and then chased down and attacked a clearly armed person, which is something only someone who was completely out of their mind, and who had no sense of self-preservation, would do.

The problem comes in with

All of the threats that Kyle encountered was in response to the fact that he was playing Timmy Toughguy and actively strolling around with a gun…

Perhaps this may surprise you, but you are not legally justified in trying to kill someone just because they have a gun. Also not allowed to kill someone who has just legally defended themselves in a deadly force encounter, that is for the court system to decide. It is legal to get involved in third party encounters, however you best be sure you’re not helping the side that will later be declared the aggressor in court and so it is generally seen as very risky to do.

If at any point he ran - and kept running, or dropped the gun and ran, fully retreating from the crowd I doubt he would have been chased too far and the need to shoot would have been eliminated

Ok at this point it may behoove you to actually look at at least the videos of the incident if not the whole trial which was streamed. He did run. He walked by a car, Rosenbaum popped out screaming “I’m going to kill you,” Kyle runs, chase ensues, Kyle gets cornered and turns around to find Rosenbaum reaching for the gun, Kyle shoots Rosenbaum 4x, makes a phone call, the crowd yells “he just shot that dude, get him,” Kyle starts running again, unknown man hits him with a rock in the back of the head which downs Kyle, Kyle rolls over and misses Jump Kick Man, then another dude walks up but surrenders when Kyle points his rifle (but didn’t fire), then Huber hits him with a skateboard and gets shot attempting to take Kyle’s rifle, then Grosskreutz feigns surrender and pulls out a gun he wasn’t legally allowed to own pointing it at Kyle, Kyle shoots, Gabe backs off, Kyle gets up and goes to the line of police cars right up the road who give him a bottle of water and tell him to go home, he turns himself in the next day.

Again, you can’t “disarm someone” who is legally carrying a gun, that is illegal to do and constitutes a deadly threat, and if he shoots you for trying he will get off.

But he didn’t retreat as he was being threatened -

But he did, at every opportunity and by all definitions he retreated until he was cornered and then again until he was downed by a rock to the back of his head.

“The aggressor” isn’t whoever you decide, it’s the guy screaming “I’m going to fucking kill you” while chasing you through a parking lot.

No one could watch the videos and come away with this take you’ve constructed. He obviously is retreating in both videos. And carrying a gun in the open is not a provocation to violence. Not is it illegal in Wisconsin.

I hope that, rather than knee-jerk down vote, people will go watch both videos. We can do better than shitheads on the Donald.

If you’re not familiar, why don’t you inform yourself? There’s plenty of video footage of the night. There’s plenty of witness testimony. We all hate Kyle, myself included, but it doesn’t help to go around spreading misinformation. It makes our side look like imbeciles living up to the memes.

Kyle wasn’t the only person there with a rifle.

Also if you’re not familiar with what happened that night, why are you commenting? Everybody makes assumptions based on the outcome of the incident, but nobody seems to have watched the videos which paint things differently and more clearly.

If everyone would shut the fuck up about this incident there wouldn’t be so much misinformation around it, and better yet we’d stop seeing this fuckface in the news.

This is a lot of words to say that you don’t understand that nobody freaks out about someone open carrying in a state where open carry is legal.

No one felt threatened by his presence. No one reacted to him showing up. No one had any problem with him walking around doing his thing for hours, while the rifle was strapped to him the whole time. If him merely existing with a rifle on him was such a threat, why is that? How come no one gave a shit about him except for a crazy guy who set a fire that Kyle put out?

Funny how this question never gets an answer, because there’s no way to answer it honestly without piercing a massive hole in your argument.

Heads up, clubs, maces, and melee weapons are all classified as deadly weapons by the US gov because it is easy to kill people with them. Take a CCW class (you’re not obligated to actually go through with getting the permit by just taking the class), it teaches you the laws regarding self defense in your area, including things like “blunt objects, knives, and significant disparity of force (like say 3 v 1), are all considered “deadly threats” and you’re allowed to defend yourself with equal opposing force (which is to say “deadly force.”)”

A melee weapon against a semi-auto 5.56 broomstick

Wrong. Not against anything, because Kyle was literally trying to flee when he was struck.

But both are lethal weapons, so it’s absolutely reasonable and justifiable to use either of them to prevent being killed by someone attacking you with the other.

Rittenhouse was 100% in the right to shoot that guy, who was trying to kill him, and had already landed blow that could have succeeded in doing so.

Lemmy in general I’ve noticed has a disregard for facts and really likes the overt sense of virtue signaling. Sure, Kyle is an awful human being, but there has to be a way to analyze the facts of the matter without resorting to using so much emotionally charged language. It comes off as really hollow and meaningless.

There is plenty of misinformation on the left in general surrounding the actions of that day. I noticed you are exclusively concerned with the ethical analysis of the situation while the person you are arguing with is clearly discussing the legal justification under American law. This type of game leads to a continuous back and forth in which wrong facts keep bubbling to the top. The Kenosha riots themselves were started because of the false assumption that another innocent black man was being targeted by law enforcement just off the tail of massive protests in MPLS a few weeks earlier.

You’ve proven beyond a doubt in this thread that your ability to ascertain motives is severely impaired.

Example: if you think my motive is to do anything but correct misinformation, you’re wrong (again).